Bowe is better than Lewis ?

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  1. C.J.

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    At last a guy tells it like it was. Rock Newman admitted to me in Dallas that it was a combination of all 3 Bowe himself, Rock Newman & Eddie Papa Smurf Futch that decided Bowe NOT fight Lennox & to renage on their agreement. Bowe was always afraid of Lennox, Newman did it purely because he knew this & The great Papa Smurf knew Bowe would never beat Lennox.
    Newman asked me if I wanted to meet the World Heavyweight Champion. I'd had a few beers & was feeling good so I said "Sure is Lennox here" ? He said "Riddick is Champion" Beer Brave me said " Not till he's beaten Lennox Lewis he's not" . Newman said " Why risk it all against Lewis when we could make as much fighting Dokes & Ferguson with very little risk. I said " I don't recognize him as champion then" .
    Newman said " Who's got the belts then. Not Lennox Riddick has." & walked away My friend the Late great Curtis Cokes said afterwards " You were risking it weren't you that must have been a good beer your drinkin CJ " lol
     
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    Lennox beat Holyfield TWICE that draw was a robbery Jesse James would be proud of. Bowe had his chance to fight Lennox but chickened out hence WBC belt in the garbage can LOL
    For me personally that blatant duck & Floyd's blatant duck of fighting Antonio Margarito when fans were calling for it were two BRAHMA's exposing their lack of intestinal fortitude lol
     
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    This doesn’t add up. The year inbetween Lewis starching Briggs and Grant, he almost lost to an absolutely ancient Holyfield and looked terrible.

    People love to harp on about Bowe’s rematch performance against Holyfield, but it was levels above Lewis’ timid showing in their rematch. Bowe’s top jab and slugging despite his weight is WAY more impressive against a PRIME Holyfield than Lewis’ showing where he got bailed out by Holyfield’s age.

    Watch old Holyfield wack Lewis to the body a few times and hammer those short hooks inside and Lewis was gasping and stumbling all over the ring. I can’t think of anyone better to smash the body inside and throw good short hooks than Bowe. Bowe is mean as well and Lewis will start panicking when those blows go south and he gets hit on the break and after the bell. He isn’t no Holmes/Holyfield he doesn’t have the heart to hold his own when it gets nasty.

    A prime Bowe will have far more in the tank than ancient Holyfield.

    Lewis will need to starch Bowe early or he’s stopped inside the distance. Once McCall ruined Lewis’ confidence he never jumped on a decent puncher again so he isn’t stopping Bowe early here!
     
  4. janitor

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    So does James Douglas.

    Is he great?
    Lewis doesn't need a performance like that to be greater.

    Greatness turns on consistency, it turns on longevity, it turns on proving yourself against excellent fighters, of many different styles.

    It doesn't turn on one good night.
     
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  5. C.J.

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    poppycock !!!!! Lennox always had Bowes number The great Papa Smurf knew that & that is why they never fought. If Bowe couldn't do it for the Great Eddie Futch he couldn't do it for anyone
     
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  6. Greg Price99

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    A 25-year old Bowe beat a 30lbs lighter, 205lbs Holyfield, on points.

    A woefully out of shape Lewis, who was 2-months shy of his 38th birthday (bear in mind you described the 36-year Holyfield who fought Lewis as "ancient"), TKO'd a 248lbs Vitali Klitschko.
     
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  7. C.J.

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    Lennox NEVER nearly lost to Holyfield LOL Lennox beat Vander by a mile but the judges somehow made it a draw Lennox beat Vander easy. Vander was better in the rematch but still got his clock cleaned lol
    Maybe Evan Fields prescription didn't work on Lennox LOL
     
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  8. janitor

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    If Bowe was so much greater than Lewis, then he always had the option of proving it, when Lewis became his mandatory.

    He could have got revenge against the man, who ended his dreams of being an Olympic gold medalist.

    He must have gone to bed a lot of nights thinking about that.

    Then he becomes the lineal champion, and Lewis is his mandatory, albeit still well behind him in the game.

    Does he exact terrible revenge?

    Well yes sort of.

    He surrenders his belt, and makes Lewis recover it out of a bin.
     
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  10. C.J.

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    What a hero huh? lol I don't think !!
     
  11. BoB Box

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    Floyd didn't duck Margarito. Floyd was offered 8 million for that fight and turned it down to fight one of the best of all time ODLH for 25 million. How is that a duck?
    Also Margarito was no where near Floyds radar. No one wanted to see that fight except Margarito's and his Camp.
     
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    What has weight got to do with it?? It’s the heavyweight division.

    If Lewis was a substantially better fighter than Holyfield he certainly didn’t show it when they fought. Oh and Holyfield was on the wrong side of 35 and in decline since 93 when they fought haha.

    If Vitali’s tries getting brave against Bowe he ain’t winning there. Lewis was terrified to have a brawl with an ancient Holyfield for goodness sake but let his hands go against Vitali like nobody’s business. If anything Vitali losing to a washed Lewis proves Vitali weren’t all that anyway.
     
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    Put a younger Fields and Lewis is losing that rematch. Truth stings. Outhustled, possible stoppage when Lewis gasses from the bodywork. Speed kills. I’ve seen plenty of knowledgeable guys score the rematch fight a draw or for Holyfield.
     
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  14. Greg Price99

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    You think weight and size is irrelevant in boxing?

    The "ancient" Holyfield was less than 3 years older than Lewis. I concede elements of his game had regressed since he fought Bowe, but the Evan Fields that fought Lewis was certainly substantially bigger, heavier and stronger than Holyfield from Bowe 1.
     
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    I have my opinions on weight. 3 of the best heavyweights I’ve seen to my eye are Ali, Holmes and Tyson. They weigh between that 208-218 mark. They are light years better than the Ks and Lewis.

    I’ll give you height is useful but weight ain’t all that useful. I think Holyfield had loads of functional strength in the ring at 205-215. I think Lewis had loads functional strength at 245 but not where he could bully Holyfield. The key difference is the conditioning. Holyfield can fight at that intensity Lewis cannot. It’s why their second fight was close. Lewis has bad conditioning down the stretch.

    Height and reach are useful but outboxing Lewis ain’t impossible see Mercer/Bruno. Lewis can’t stop a jab scoring. Quick accurate jab Lewis can’t do nothing about it. I was watching the first 2 Holyfield Bowe fights the other day and I’m not convinced Lewis’ outside game is much better if at all than Holyfield’s. Holyfield’s jab was much quicker when he was younger. Once you start jabbing with Lewis he short circuits, panics and paws. Prime for prime I’d favour Holyfield tbh.

    Lol please don’t play that age game that all you Lewis fans do with Holyfield and Tyson. Shall we see what Lewis was doing at 20 compared to Tyson, compare Lewis at 23/24 to Tyson/Holyfield, 25/26/27/28/29/30/31 with Lewis/ Holyfield. Good game that. Holyfield was sliding post 1993 and it’s testament to his talent and greatness how well he was competing with his diminished natural gifts.