Bowe is sure he'd beat Morrison, Foreman, and Lewis on the same night

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I actually feel bit sorry for Bowe when I see him vs Golota he took 400+ punches from a Super Heavyweight who weighed over 240+ pounds that's brutal and no man of that size should be getting hit that often.

    No wonder his brains are scrambled who would've thought that Bowe actually ended up the worse for wear after the Trilogy with Holyfield.
     
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  2. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Boxing is funny when it comes to who suffers damage and who doesn't.

    James Toney used the Philly shell and was a defense master with an iron chin and good counters. Now, hardly any can understand him.

    George Chuvalo was a classic in your face rough boxer who had over 70 fights and many wild brawls, yet he sounds perfectly normal well into old age with a clear voice.
     
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  3. Overhand94

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    Foreman stated several times that he will not fight Bowe or Lewis for that matter.
    @dinovelvet posted a link that explains how Bowe was frozen out by the boxing establishment to fight some opponents (including Morrison).
    Both Lewis and Bowe couldn't agree to terms and are to blame for the fight not happening.

    I agree with most of your second paragraph though.
     
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  4. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    It's often argued that Bowe wasn't willing to face the hard/dangerous punchers of his era.
    But this claim doesn't totally hold up to scrutiny :
    - Tyson was in jail/suspended for half of the 90's ;
    - Foreman stated several times that he was unwilling to face him ;
    - Tua/Ike/Briggs didn't come to prominence until the late 90's ;
    - Mercer pulled out of a fight in August of 1991 and lost a tune-up to Ferguson in 1993 ;
    - Bruno was not seen as a serious threat and was often in a rebuilding phase after losing.

    This left out Lewis, Morrison and Ruddock :
    - as I said before, him and Lewis should have fought and both are to blame for it ;
    - Morrison was a serious option in 1993 , but Main Event favoured a fight with Lewis (and in 1995, Bowe opted for a lucrative rubber match with Holyfield) ;
    - a Ruddock fight seemed a likely possibility in 1992, so Bowe could be blamed for it. It's also worth noting that a disagreement between Newman and the WBC played a part in that fight not happening.

    On the other hand, Bowe knocked out two explosive punchers in Cooper (who was the first to floor Holyfield ) and Hide, and destroyed a reasonable hitter in Gonzalez.
     
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  5. mr. magoo

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  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Bowe of Holyfield 1 would have beaten all three of them 1992-1993 imo. If we're talking the 1992 incarnations of those fighter, one at a time.
     
  7. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Actually, Foreman retracted his statement and called out Bowe after his fight with Coetzer saying he wished to fight him.

    Okay, fine, let's put aside Lewis, Morrison, and Foreman. This is a list of notable boxers during that era whom Bowe did not fight

    Ruddock
    Tucker
    Mercer
    Tua
    Moorer
    Witherspoon
    Smith
    Bruno
    Douglas
    Tyson

    Excuses are like buttholes, everyone has one. And Bowe conveniently never faced any hard hitters or elite skilled boxers aside from the much smaller Bert Cooper and Herbie Hide, old far versions of Dokes/Tubbs, and Holyfield. I don't want to hear it.
     
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  8. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Lewis is a 50/50 fight at worst no matter when they fought. He was much more intelligent than Bowe, used his jab more, had better lateral movement, better defense, and hit just as hard, if not harder.

    I'd favor him over Old Foreman and Morrison, but those are incredibly dangerous fights given his leaky defense and willingness to stand there and trade. Bowe couldn't move his head out the way if you paid him.
     
  9. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I feel all of this, but I don't think Lewis was anywhere near mature enough in 1992 to beat Bowe (or Holyfield, imo).

    I think even the deservedly-venerated Stewart Lewis runs a bad risk of being stopped by peak Bowe.

    It's after 1993 that things looks progressively worse for Bowe against ANY version of Lennox imo.
     
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  10. Overhand94

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    Foreman reiterated after the Gonzalez fight fight that he did not want to face Bowe.

    I talked in a previous post about some of the names you listed (Tyson/Tua/Mercer/Ruddock/Bruno).

    Douglas retired in 1990 and Smith was not a major player in the 90's, although I agree about Witherspoon and Tucker (who himself fought very few contenders) in a lesser extent.
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    I think old Foreman would have been a tough go for Bowe. Just as big as Bowe, probably stronger, still hit harder but Bowe would have speed and work rate.
     
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  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Archie Moore was another one. Had over 200 fights plus countless rounds of hard sparring and was still mentally sharp into his 80s.
     
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  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Bowe was the most overrated, overhyped heavy of the 90's. He was protected and bolstered by a publicity machine. He was a deficient fighter without proper dedication and a sub par ring IQ.
     
  14. Jakub79

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    not at all, imo it's the other way around, he's underestimated, he's in the shadow. He had the best fights with HW in the 90s, had the biggest victories, met the best Holyfield 3 times, fought very dangerous rivals like Gonzo, Hide and Golota even though one of them kicked his ass in his amateur days much more than Lewis. While each of them looked like great punchers at the time, and they were, the fact that their careers ended has a lot to do with how they lost to Bowe.
     
  15. bboyrei

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    Bowe needed the Lewis fight, even if he lost but had a good performance he would be far more remembered aside from the Holyfield and Golota fights. Without many big names, his overall record is also questionable since Golota gave him the win twice and he got a NC for illegally hitting Mathis Jr. while he was down.