Bowe is sure he'd beat Morrison, Foreman, and Lewis on the same night

Toney is renowned for using sparring to condition himself for fighting and he did hard sparring.

The way he would bend forward at the waist sometimes left him open to catching punches on the back of the head and I would hazard a guess that years and years of taking punches that he couldn't see coming/negate at very vital points has led to his speech patterns. Add to that being overweight, PEDS and the strain on his organs, I'm not wholly surprised at his speech patterns/style.

 

That sounds like something Joe Biden would say,,and for the same reason

 

Gonzo, Golota and Hide proved to be glass cannons. I was never sold on the first two, and was proven correct when a B level heavy like Bowe beat them, tho Golota, despite his limitations, ended Bowe's career.

Bowe is remembered because his style, and fighting heart, meshed well with another flawed warrior in Holy field. The two made for entertaining fights but the were a lot closer to Gatti-Ward than Frazier-Ali.

Lennox Lewis is the true King of the Heavies for that generation. And Bowe obviously knew this earlier than most.

 

help me understand this.
1. What victory for Lewis is greater than Bowe's against 30-year-old prime Holyfield? What victory for Lewis is better than knocking out 33-year-old Holyfield?

2. What defeat for Bowe is worse than Lewis being knocked out in the 2nd round by Oliver McCall?

Did you notice any differences between Gonzales and Hide before and after the Bowe fight?

 

Bowe has the best single win but Holyfield was only 205 pounds in that fight and fought a silly fight trading punches with the much bigger man.

No one denies Bowe doesn't have the best single win but he has no real depth outside of the Holyfield fights is the problem. He also isn't tested against a whole range of varied styles like Lewis for example.

Bowe has the best single win but Lewis's resume overall is far superior to Bowe's.

 

1. In which fight with Bowe was Holyfield stupid, in which was he stupider and in which was he the stupidest? in the first, second or third?
2. What do you understand by the depth of your CV? Lewis was knocked out by McCall and fought to a draw with Mercer, he had problems with Briggs, with Bruno... in fact, I can't find Lewis' rival who wasn't beaten before... maybe Mason or Mavrović? but the Croatian was already sick before the fight, and let's be honest - he was a nobody.
I'm sorry, I respect your posts and your opinion, but I don't see the depth of your CV. The value of a player is determined by the highest peaks. What great prime rival did Lewis beat in such a style as Bowe beat Holyfield?
Oh, Evander weighed the same in the third fight with Bowe as he did with Lewis, but he was younger.

 

He was also sure he'd beat Golota.

 

So we're supposed to rank Moorer up there with Bowe? Bowe is overrated by his sharing the spotlight with Holy as Holy is by sharing the spotlight with Bowe. Otherwise, Holy makes his hay from beating up shot Mike Tyson, a guy diminished to being a three round midget fighter.

As far as Lewis' record, quantity has a quality all its own. The breadth and depth of his record, and his willing to throw down with all the division's hardest punchers, when the division had the most and hardest punchers in its history, is something that sets him apart from Bowe and everyone not named Ali and Louis.

Getting schooled by slow twitch, armpunching hype job Golota over two fights.

Yes, Gonzales got exposed. His stiffest test had been an absolutely geriatric, infirmed Snipes. He was exposed when he was forced to fight actual live opponents. Bowe just got there first. It's not even up there with Lewis' beating of Michael Grant or Tommy Morrison. No where close in fact.

As far as Hide, he went on to have a decent career. Again, all the Bowe loss did was expose the fact that beating Wimpy Halstead does not make you a heavyweight contender. He found success down the line as a cruiser though.

 

Yes but you're a Lewis hater so you have an agenda based opinion so there's no point even trying to havw a normal conversation.

Anyone with common sense can see Lewis has a far superior resume to Bowe.

World title wins

Lewis 15 world title wins it's 16 if you include the Holyfield robbery.

Bowe 5 world title wins.

Wins over top 10 ranked opponents.

Lewis 13

Bowe 5 and that's including a DQ win over Golota in which he got pummelled.

Notable wins.

Lewis

Tyson = Shot
Holyfield x2 = Past it but still good
Ruddock
Tucker = Past it but still good
Vitali
Rahman
Tua
Mercer
Morrison
Bruno
Briggs
Golota
Grant
Botha

Bowe

Thomas = Shot
Dokes = Way past it
Seldon
Holyfield x2
Tubbs = Past it but still good.
Hide
Gonzalez
Biggs = Way past it.
Cooper
Ferguson
Golota = Two DQ wins Bowe got battered in both fights.

So the final conclusion Lewis has triple the amount of world title wins.

Almost triple the amount of wins vs top 10 ranked opposition.

And has a far superior resume in regards to depth and notable wins.

Hence there's 0 case for Bowe having a better resume unless you're just choosing to ignore the facts and have an agenda based opinion against Lewis.

Simple as that.

 

first of all, if you're going to make personal trips, Lewis haters, just stop wasting my time and yours. In my opinion, Lewis is around the top 9-12 HW ever, which is very high. Is anyone who thinks Lewis isn't as good as Bowe in the 90s a hater? this is one of the worst arguments, if you think I'm a hater - there is an ignore function here, do me a favor and put me in the ignore bag, it's a waste of time to exchange arguments

 

1. I'm sorry - in my opinion, losing in the 2nd round to McCall is MUCH WORSE than losing in a mutual war with Golota, who was repeatedly hurt so badly that the Pole was never the same after that fight and was so frustrated that he had to foul. I watched these fights many times, and in the second one Golota was stunned in the 9th round. in the first fight Bowe was clearly overweight, in the second he was dehydrated as mentioned by Teddy Atlas, he was not in his prime, Eddie Futch left Riddick claiming that Riddick had lost his sharpness. Maybe it's an old man's whim, or maybe it's true, but Riddick looked terrible, just like Tommy Morrison when he went out to Lewis

2. In terms of overall stature, Lewis may be a little higher on his CV. As for the 1990s, probably not. Holy has the most significant wins, Bowe has the best single win, what Lewis has - I still haven't found out. Apparently I must be a Lennox hater to ask such questions, but in my opinion he has the coolest defeats among these three great HWs.

 

I agree with most of your post but it's undeniable that Lewis has a superior resume because of his consistancy and better longevity.
However, if you compare their resume during the period where both were active (1989-1996), Bowe had the better one.

 

ok but can we deny one thing?
Lewis became No. 1 HW in 1999.
When there was no more Ike, Moorer, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Whitearspoon. Is something wrong? He was defeated after two average fights by 37-year-old Holyfield, who was also beaten by John Ruiz and a little later by Chris Byrd. Lewis gave one belt to Byrd and gave the other to Ruiz. On what basis he is considered the king of the HW 90s, I still have no idea. You don't dispel my doubts, gentlemen... it is said that Lewis cleared the heavyweight division, but in fact the greatest fighters of the 90s lost to time (Holy, Holmes, Foreman, Whitearspoon), to lack of discipline (Bowe), to addictions or mental problems (Tyson, McCall, Ike).

 

I was just talking about the Bowe/Lewis resume comparison.
I agree with your post as myself don't consider Lewis the " king of the 90's HW ".

 

It really isn't that difficult to comprehend, is it?

And you were being lenient in your descriptions of Bowe's opposition.