Bowe Over Schmeling?

Yes!!!

 

He can.

He won a series against Holyfield.

He beat Seldon, Dokes, Coetzer, Tubbs, Thomas, and those caliber level of fighters. He beat Golota, however awful those fights were in terms of Bowe's performances. The only lost he had was against Holyfield. He was a unified champion, and a title holder in a solid heavyweight era.

Schemling was actually more inconsistent. He had a longer spurt, and probably has the better win (Louis), but he lost to Sharkey, Baer, Hamas, and other less notables.

His claim to fame is beating a smaller and somewhat old Mickey Walker, and a possibly green Joe Louis. His next best wins are mostly second rate fighters. He did fight in a harder and tougher time, but his resume isn't really sensational. The Louis win is really his biggest feat. After that it gets a little bit sketchy.

 

****!!!!!!!!!!! Bowe of '92 / '93 KILLS Schmeling of '30 to '33..............

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atsch

 

I think it would be unfair not to list Schmeling's victories over Jack Sharkey, Young Stribling, Paulino Uzcudun, Steve Hamas, even Risko & Neusel, if you're listing the likes of Seldon, Coetzer and Dokes for Bowe. I felt Schmeling's loss to Sharkey was a joke of a decision, much like the DQ in their first meeting which Sharkey was getting the better of. Bowe's win over Tubbs was a bit questionable.

Surely a case can be made that Bowe deserves to be rated above Schmeling, especially if you take into account how they would do in a head-to-head match-up. I do not think Schmeling was suited to fight super heavyweights the size of Bowe.

 

Couple of points.

1. Bowe defeated an all time great lineal heavyweight champion in his prime to win the title.

2. Schmeling won the vacant title, against a man that I would not rate anywhere near as high as the man who preceded Bowe as a titlist.

3. Bowe was never stopped and beaten only once by a great fighter who he defeated twice.

4. Schmeling was beaten 10 times, and stopped on a few occasions. Some of those losses were against men that were not exactly top tier opponents.

5. Although Bowe did not face ALL of the best fighters of his time, he still reached the top of the mountain in an era where the summit was very hard to get to, and the competition stiff.

6. Schmeling was a champion and top rater during a time when the division was somewhat in shambles, even though the talent pool wasn't that bad.

7. Bowe's career may have been short, but he did manage to compile a very impressive record of something like 43-1-0-33, or somewhere therabouts.

8. Schmeling left the game with a record that looked something to the effect of 50-10-40...


9. Both men had impressive amateur careers and won a fair number of tournaments each, but Bowe had the accomplishment of medaling in the olympics and arguably came up with a better crop of amateurs.

10. Schmeling may indeed have the single best win between the two men, but he also got hammered in one round in the rematch.

 

Good points, that is fair. The Sharkey win seems to get forgotten because of the DQ.

Yep. If you rank in terms of H2H, or even if you don't... I think you can make a case either way.

 

Dude, that's no doubt.........:good

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But nobody would rate Schemling over Bowe because they think he would beat him. Your criteria is beyond unfair for older fighters.

 

**** that.......... I love old farts, etc................ But Mad Max was nothing special as a fighter / champion....... He simply was very good....... But at 6' tall and 193 pounds, he is NOT gonna whip the 1992 version of Bowe who was 6' 5" tall and 235 pounds.......... 'Tain't gonna happen, mango....
:-(

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Not that I think Schmeling would beat him either but I think you place too much on size. Louis was similarly sized to Schmeling and Buddy Baer similarly sized to Bowe. I understand that Schmeling is no Louis and Baer is no Bowe but still, I don't place so much on the super heavyweight size advantages. I certainly wouldn't favor Schmeling, but I wouldn't write him off either.

 

When it´s not h2h I can´t see it. Schmeling has not only the bigger win in Louis but also more wins over top contenders than Bowe. People go on about Louis beeing a bit too green against Schmeling but ignore that Schmeling was considered beeing past his prime when he faced Louis the first time. Yeah, Schmeling had more losses but most of them came on the tail end of his career or early in it. During his prime he only lost to Jack Sharkey, a fight most people think he actually won, Max Baer and Steve Hamas, who he beat a year later. All three top contenders and two champs at one time.
Schmeling has the better resume, the better longevity and the better single win than Bowe. Somebody stated he was simply a good fighter. I disagree, he was a great fighter who seriously get´s underated by some on here. I´m not talking about him beeing a Top10 or Top15 hw but Top20 for sure.

I think a few years back there was a thread about which hw champs beat the most ring rated contenders and Schmeling ended much higher than most people expected.

 

True. But he beat the same man in the rematch but gort screwed. That evens that out a bit.

I would like to throw in Holyfield´s medical problems at the time.

Many of those losses came either when he was still green and fighting at lhw or at the end of his career. During and slightly after his prime he only lost to top contenders and aside from Baer he also holds a win over them.

Schmeling fought all of the best fighters of his time. You can´t ask more of him. Bowe, on the other hand, did not, he even avoided the best in Lennox Lewis by giving up a belt.

That´s redundant, you already went on about Schmeling´s losses. His career was 56-10-4 btw.

What have amateur careers to do with ranking pro boxers? Right! Nothing.

Schmeling was already considered past his best in the first fight, the second fight was two years later, so he may have been even more past his best. You also totally ignore the circumstances of this fight.

 

the fact that schmeling is an old fighter is the very reason bowe would hammer schemeling.the fact bowe would have a 4 stone weight advantage would help too.