Bowe Tubbs: Score it yourself

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lefthook31, Jan 14, 2011.


  1. ironchamp

    ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,365
    1,033
    Sep 5, 2004
    I watched it again.

    I scored it 6-4 Bowe. Pretty much how I've always had it.

    Tubbs was in the fight because Riddick was still a work in progress; like a baby lion on his first kill Tubbs the gazelle befuddled him occasionally and made this a tougher fight than expected.

    Fast forward one year Bowe probably makes shorter work of Tony.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    :goodalthough I had tubbs winning i prety much would say the same. Bowe underacheived here and this is why it was close. with so many quiet rounds I pick the guy who scores more often where as so many folks go with the guy who is forcing it even if he lands less often. with two guys doing what tony did there would not be a fight so i understand the logic.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    :good absolutly!
     
  4. BoxingFanNo1

    BoxingFanNo1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,867
    13
    Jan 20, 2009
    6-4 Bowe.

    Don't be too hard on Lefty guys, he think prime Bowe beats prime Lewis.
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    19,404
    278
    Oct 4, 2005
    Why?

    I strongly doubt it. Tubbs presented a difficult style for Bowe and he was only one year away from his peak, and yet another year after that he was past his best. Due to easy matching he never had to deal with Tubbs kind of movement again, until the Holyfield rematch (close loss), Hide (who had him out on his feet but was overwhelmed physically) and Golota, who smashed Riddick twice.


    So many of Bowe's possible career events end up different in people's imaginary world.
     
  6. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    20,862
    138
    Jul 6, 2007
    Ok some reasonable comments here. Chris to answer your question it was Bowes first time going ten rounds and he was facing a crafty veteran that did well against him in the gym. Those factors probably attributed to the low offensive output by Bowe.
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    28,139
    13,094
    Jan 4, 2008
    But Chris has a point. Calling this pre-prime and Golota past-prime makes Bowe's prime so short that it becomes an almost Douglas-esque peak.
     
  8. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

    18,318
    57
    Dec 26, 2009
    Bowe was utterly shot-to-**** against Golota, it's clear as day.
     
  9. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    19,404
    278
    Oct 4, 2005
    It may have contributed, but Tubbs would've always had a style to trouble Bowe. It's one of those fights where the prospect should get the W and not look back. And that he did.

    Which it was, really. The Holyfield win was great, but when Evander fought smart in the rematch, he won despite massive physical disadvantages. I think he would've won the third as well, if not for hepatitus or whatever it was that stopped him from being able to throw a single punch when Bowe was a hair away from being stopped.

    The Hide and Donald (a career underachiever) wins are good but not spectacular. He beat Golota on paper but in reality, the Pole beat him so thoroughly that his career was over.
     
  10. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

    19,404
    278
    Oct 4, 2005
    Shot to **** a mere 3 years after his peak fight with Holyfield. Or the fact that Golota brought more to the table than his soft touches - Holyfield aside - contributed as well?
     
  11. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    20,862
    138
    Jul 6, 2007
    I didn't think Tubbs troubled Bowe at all it wasn't even a close fight in my opinion and if anything Bowe could have upped his offense more but perhaps Bowe wanted to go the distance. Bowe looked a lot better here than he did against Biggs in my opinion. Bowe was some eight fights from his first title shots and had never gone past 8 rounds. He clearly hadn't reached his peak.
     
  12. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    20,862
    138
    Jul 6, 2007
    Not really. Bowe was still in the learning process against Tubbs. I would say he reached his peak in the first Holyfield fight, and had a somewhat steady slow decline over the next three years. Thats a pretty reasonable prime for a fighter who didnt take it too seriously.
     
  13. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    20,862
    138
    Jul 6, 2007
    I think he was pretty shot. Yes Golota offered a tough fight, but Bowe looked pretty bad against Holyfield in his previous fight regardless if he got the win. It was clear he was not taking his training seriously and taking weight off properly.
    He got himself into real good condition for Gonzalez, but then really didnt take Holyfield or Golota seriously in the next two fights. By the last Golota fight, Bowe was reaction time and ability to take a punch had severely diminished, probably the reason why he retired.
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    28,139
    13,094
    Jan 4, 2008
    Nah, I think it's pretty short. Can happen if you don't take care of yourself, sure, but I think he was still prime in the rubber match with Holy. The tools were still there.

    But anyhow, if we are to disregard the perfomances against Tubbs and Golota as pre- respective post-prime there really only are the fights against Holy that are meaningful. And in the last one Evander was in a pretty bad way himself, so we're more or less down to one really good win. That's pretty Douglas-esque in my book.
     
  15. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

    20,862
    138
    Jul 6, 2007
    Holyfield was his best performance for sure, but he still had two title defenses, beat Holyfield and held the WBO title after and defeated two or three upcoming contenders. Douglas was a flash in the pan that had multiple losses before Tyson and really did nothing after.
    Also Bowe beat Golota twice, and regardless of Bowe trailing on the scorecards, he made Golota quit, and it wasnt because Golota had to catch a cab.