Bowe vs. Douglass

Lol?

 

Idiot.

You don't have to be tough to be in the Marines, you only need to want it and Bowe was so F up with his wife/children etc etc he did not even know who he was or what he had done, out of desperation. He came from on of the toughest ghettos, a place were you never will be/were and he made it, as a matter of fact he became the Undisputed HWY champ of the World.............not a know it all proffessional internet debater.

 

I cannot see how Douglas would win. Bowe would stop Douglas in in the mid rounds or a little before.

 

Bowe couldn't do that against the lesser Tubbs or Golota

Actually it's more bizarre that you take the position that said great fighter in Tyson was almost certainly nowhere near their best. Where's the proof for this? Oh yea Douglas schooled him, kicked his ass and knocked him out. Douglas is written off because of Tyson ball lickers excuses that everyone bought, yourself included it seems.

As for Bowe the second best name on his ledger isn't much better than an Oliver McCall

 

I see the fight like the Golota fight and it is Bowe who does not have the physical advantages he normally had over fighters like Holyfield and others also Douglas had a great jab which Bowe would struggle against.

 

I'm not a Tyson "ball licker" at all, and I don't care if he had an excuse. It means nothing to me. Reality does. And, in reality, I know what I saw and could see how he was performing. It is obvious to people with functioning eyes that he wasn't right or at the level he ordinarily was, close to that period. The evidence is there, for those who are watching the ****ing fight, directly observable on film, with no verbal excuses needing put forth. A lot of determined guys with size and skill would have beaten up Tyson, that night. It's odd that some don't see it because they want to believe in the fairytale of a Douglas that doesn't exist, yourself included, it seems. :nono

Also, perhaps, you could direct me to being a "Tyson ball licker" as a point of reference, somewhere? That would be great, thanks. Who sticks up for Frazier in a H2H match with Tyson, as a minority? Me. Who sticks up for a younger Holmes in a H2H match with Tyson, in the minority, again? Me. I'm sorry, where's this dumb****ery about me being biased for Tyson come from? It's really puzzling me. :huh Perhaps you're talking out of your ass, out of confusion.

 

Bowe was clearly out of shape and on the decline in Golota fights.

 

This shows you can't actually understand how Douglas is neutralising Tyson and which is probably why you also buy Foreman's excuse against Young. It's like saying 'Pacquaio wasn't the same against Marquez', ofcourse he wasn't because Marquez was neutralising him

The gameplan Douglas used against Tyson, no one has used in the same way. Whether Tyson was 100% is another matter but I don't buy he was some drugged zombie, mainly because he used plenty of the same skills and techniques he used in his best wins - the head movement is certainly there. He tries to close the gap and gets countered hard. Put Bruno/Williams/Spinks in there and Tyson walks right through them again. This Tyson is probably significantly better than the Holyfield version Tyson

Re-read my post I didn't accuse you of being a Tyson ball licker, I said you bought their excuses. Oh and Tyson knocks Frazier out

Keep up BE, what was the Vitali thread comment on my page you posted, it had me :huh

 

It's both.

Very good fighting and great gameplan on one hand and declining or unprepared fighter on the other hand.

Both Buster and Marquez fought great fights, both won historically important fights - no arguing about that.

 

Whether or not Tyson is 100% is another matter? No. No, it's not another matter at all. Actually it's one of the main matters at hand. He's clearly, clearly not and it's very, very relevant, obviously, to what Douglas was able to do to him. I'm keeping up, fine, mate. Enough to see we're not going to see eye-to-eye on this one. And, you certainly seemed to have implied that I was buying excuses as a part of fan-think, which is just wrong, had you been doing that, as you gave the impression. Nice job bringing Young into the discussion. I'll **** myself about it later. :blurp The user page comment? Hold, on, you apparently forgot your thread.

 

Interesting comment - quite insulting the the marines who are blindly sent into foreign countries to start wars and steal oil - So something not tough was too tough for chicken Bowe[/QUOTE]

Bowe bravely attacked his wife with a fork - Was this tough brave man trying to eat her???

When Bowe threw his belt in the garbage he became an embarrassment to where he was brought up

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96242
I felt bad that it didn't have any comments, and I was trolling, that day. :hey

Declining? Unprepared? I don't know, he may have actually been 100% and Buster is a supergenius ATG, that one time.

 

Just my crazy assumptions, i guess.

 

Last I checked he won the Tubbs fight pretty clearly and won both Golota fights by stoppage. Do you watch boxing, Ive seen quite a few of your posts in these heavyweight threads that are really surprising. Im really shocked by some of the dumb posts on this forum.

 

If you mean he was unfairly matched then I disagree. Being 5-0 and facing a debuting fighter and getting your ass handed to you, is hardly what I would call being thrown to the wolves.... He had around 25 fights when he fought an 11 fight Ferguson and lost that one too. If you're going to throw in these obscure fights that he had with 5-0 nobodies like Dave Omalley or whatever his name was, then You may want to include that Bowe beat 10-0 Jesus contreras and a few guys of that caliber.

Well he did take the tex cobb fight of short notice, but I don't know about the rest of them. As for his weight being all over the place, this was typical of Douglas.

Tangstad has right around the same number of fights and fought him to a draw. Point deductions or no point deductions, it was another fight that Douglas DIDN'T win, and against a guy who would more or less never amount to anything.

Common... I've used boxrec in the past to, but its pretty obvious what you did here.. You scrolled Douglas's record, found a guy who was 17-0, then clicked on his record only to see that he had fought a guy who was 18-2 who in turn had beaten Ruddock..... Nice chain of events except you may want to include that Ruddock was an 8-1 nobody when he lost to theat "18-2" fighter who's name was DAVE JACO .... Jaco was a bum who got beaten by everyone at one point in time or another.... Dion Simpson is somebody that most people have never even heard of and left the sport with barely 20 pro fights.

sorry but I see no significant Difference between the quality of the men Douglas fought vs the caliber of opponents that Bowe was matched with. If you are using an honest system of comparison, then you should be arriving at the same conclusion. Its all well and good to say that Bowe's fighters "lost to this person", or "that one was inexperienced", or whatever... But if we look at Douglas's opponents with an impartial eye, we'll see that Berbick was washed up. Page was on a losing streak... McCall was a 14-2 nobody who would not do anything of note for years. Ferguson was an 11 fight novice who beat Douglas in his 25th bout.. Bey was a dubuting fighter who KO'd an undfeated Douglas in two rounds.... Mike White was a jouneyman who stopped Douglas at a time when he should have been coming into his own.... Tangstad never amounted to squat and Douglas with right around the same number of fights couldn't secure a win......

Tubbs at 33 years of age was a better fighter than Ferguson was with 11 pro fights. Even if we took a PEAK ferguson I'm still not so sure that he'd amount to a diminished Tubbs. In any case, Bowe WON that fight, while Douglas lost to Jesse.

I saw the fight and gave it to Bowe 6 rounds to 4... What score you got?

1. You can't decide the outcome of fantasy match-ups based on how you think a fighter's career " might" have been different, had he been blessed with this thing or that...

2. Douglas actually WAS well supported and well backed.. He was a Don King promoted fighter who never had trouble getting decent paying fights and even had a pretty good trainer as well. How he CHOSE to train in the gym, or quit in big fights was his problem....

Oh so because Cooper was at a size disadvantage that we shouldn't count the victory for Bowe? Should we do the same for Douglas's victory over Tyson?