Bowe vs Haye

Bowe has far more power and far better chin than Fury. Haye needs to run for 12 rds to avoid Bowe's shots. Prime Bowe will eventually catch Haye and knock him out.

 

fixed.

 

Bowe was, at his best, the better fighter. I am unimpressed by Haye. Lots of talk but no true fighting heart. Bowe KO 6 in a one sided fight.

 

A more relevant question might be ,how would Haye cope with Bowe's power? Bowe was significantly better than Haye ,imo.

 

Bowe by Ko

 

bowe at his best, which was for about a 2-3 year span, was light years better than fury. at his best, bowe KOs haye but a i'd give haye a good shot vs a lesser version of bowe.

btw, haye will just stay away from fury on the outside, not engage and then complain about losing a decision. look at his fights vs wlad and valuev (which was a gift).

 

Run rabbit run.

 

Haye's a good defensive fighter and got good power, and lets not forget that Bowe was mentally weak and didn't deal well with adversity and was easy to hit. Also Bowe was not the type to control a fight but rather allowed his opponent to decide how the fight would be fought - like when he fought on the inside against Holyfield in their first fight because Holyfield decided to take the fight to him but then fought on the outside in their second fight because Holyfield wouldn't move inside, or how he allowed Tubbs and Golota to set the pace in his fights against them - and Bowe didn't take good care of himself outside of fights and often turned up looking out of shape.

Now, I would rank Bowe above Haye where raw talent is concerned but I feel he had more flaws than Haye which prevented him from achieving what he could, that for the positive attributes he possessed he should have been a far more successful fighter than he was but all his personal and professional flaws held him back.

I see a fight between them going the distance with Bowe unprepared or unable to take control of the fight while Haye stays mostly on the defensive looking to hit Bowe on the counter and the winner being chosen on a close points decision. It could be a pick'em fight largely because of Bowe's inability to take control.

 

Nonsense.
One of the bravest, toughest fighters I've ever seen.

 

I count him as mentally weak for the quick collapse of his prime, and how he broke down after the Golota fights and retired and joined the Marines only to quit after a couple of days and do something stupid afterwards that got him arrested, and the fact that when he was at his best and most would have picked him to beat anybody he ducked Lewis in the most blatent of terms then fought two no-hopers instead before being beat by Holyfield. The man didn't have it in him to sustain a position at the top, nor to fight all the top fighters of his era ala-Holyfield or most of the best up-and-comers ala-Lewis, he wasn't mentally conditioned to do it.

 

You're talking about his long-term discipline and life outside the ring.

Inside the square circle is what counts here. And Bowe had the mentality of a warrior.

 

Perhaps, but life outside the ring is just as important to what makes a great fighter as life in-ring, and Bowe didn't have the goods outside the ring to last long in-ring, and that counts against him in my book. And besides, someone with the "mentality of a warrior" would not in their prime have shamefully ducked Lennox Lewis - Holyfield would never have ducked Lewis if he had won that fight in 1992.

 

I don't see how it affects his chances against David Haye in a hypothetical match though.

Lewis's manager was offered the fight with Bowe in 1993 but turned it down.

 

The point about Bowe's mental weakness outside the ring was less important to a hypothetical match up against Haye than the point I made about Bowe's inability to control the pace and flow of a fight and instead allow his oponent to choose how the fight would play out.

And what were the terms? 20/80 split of the purse in Bowe's favour or winner take all or dump the WBC Belt to get the shot.

Bowe's manager Rock Newman had no intention whatsoever of allowing Bowe to fight Lennox Lewis because he believed he could make more money out of Bowe avoiding Lewis and going after a rematch with Holyfield. And Bowe was perfectly content to avoid Lewis and did nothing whatsoever to stop his manager arranging things so he could avoid it, even playing along with his staged relinquishing of the WBC Belt, dumping it in the trash on tv.

When Bowe was WBO Champion there was talk of him fighting Lewis again but Lewis's loss to McCall scarpered that. At least, however, in this instance the decision was taken out of Lewis's hands, whereas when Bowe reneged on the agreement between himself, Lewis, Holyfield and Ruddock for a mini-tournament for the World Titles to fight the winner of Lewis/Ruddock it was a choice made conciously by Bowe and Newman and not a fight prevented by circumstances.