Bowe vs. Lewis, late 92' or 93'?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think Lewis wins, but given the McCall fight who knows.

    But I think this is the one example of a duck that no one could ever even try to defend.

    It's probably the most infamous duck in HW history.
     
  2. Sangria

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    Bowe dumped the makeshift WBC belt in the trash can as a PR move by Newman, and it backfired. They were sick of the WBC, Don King and Sulaiman's demands. Newman wanted to come out as a hero going up against King and thought Lewis would oblige, but Lewis and Maloney took the King route.

    You can see the post fight Bowe-Holyfield interview on HBO where Bowe approaches a commentating Lewis and tells Lewis, 'You're not the man I thought you were. I owe you one!" This is Bowe telling Lewis that he knew Lewis would take the Don King route.

    Backstage politics. We see it all too often in boxing. It's almost an unspoken rule, like Kayfabe for pro wrestling. But the veil has become more transparent since 1992.

    Part of the King deal was for Lewis to defend against King fighters only: Tucker, Bruno, Jackson and finally McCall. If he got past them all he'd be ready for a Bowe fight. Or putting it better, Bowe would be his next opponent after the King gauntlet of fighters. Unfortunately McCall got to Lennox's chin and saved Don King's azz.
     
  3. Berlenbach

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    Bruno wasn't a King fighter.
     
  4. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    King was known to work co-promotions with Mickey Duff. Witherpoon-Bruno, Tyson-Bruno, Lewis-Bruno, McCall-Bruno and Tyson-Bruno II were all promoted by King.

    Edit: after 1994, Warren became Bruno's promoter and co-promoted with King after that.
     
  5. Berlenbach

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    They worked with King but he was never Bruno's exclusive promoter. Bruno-Lewis was a Duva promotion (there was a ruckus at the press conference when Dan Duva was late and they wouldn't let him in). King wasn't involved.
     
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  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    You're right. I'm sure King knew if Bruno did beat Lewis that Bruno would be easy to co-promote. Bruno would be stuck in the same boat Lewis was in by defending against King fighters only. And if Lewis beat Bruno he'd still have to defend against King fighters. A win-win for King.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    What you call a PR move, the rest of boxing calls a duck.

    He didn't just throw his belt away, he refused to defend against the man who had dominated him in the Olympics, the man who was openly calling him out and even worse a man who had agreed to every demand thrown his way.

    The ultimate irony is at that moment was the best time he ever could have faced Lewis, from 92-94 he was a well regarded fighter but very flawed as he hadn't hooked up with Stewart yet. But instead of risking it, he ducked the flawed fighter who went on to be known as one of the ATG heavyweights.
     
  8. dinovelvet

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    Both lies. He neither dominated Bowe in the Olympic final nor did he agree to every demand that came his way , as was proved in the last few pages.

    The fact you call the Olympic final a "domination" shows your bias and total lack of objectivity regarding this matter.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    I've got no reason to be biased. I rooted against Lewis every single fight he had.

    But it doesn't change the results of the final (I actually watched it again yesterday after someone posted about it on here) and it doesn't change that this duck can never ever be argued against. Its written in stone.

    Bowe ducked Lewis at the very time he had the only realistic chance of beating him. Alanis Morissette should add it into her song.
     
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    You exposed your bias by calling an even fight which ended in controversy a "domination"

    Total bias and a lack of understanding regarding the details leads to to believe it was all Bowe's fault why the fight never happened...
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    As I said, I've no reason to be. I never wanted him to win in real life. Unlike you who feverishly backed him against Vitali.

    I'm not even debating the duck. It is that black and white, it's that indefensible, it's that set in stone. Historical facts need not be debated as to whether or not they happened.
     
  12. dinovelvet

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    You're riddled with bias for Lewis its obvious. . Lets not forget that Bowe was still a kid in his first Olympics going up against the more experienced Lewis in his second Olympics. Bowe held is own and fought with Lewis on even terms. The ref helped Lewis throughout the contest before awarding him the win in one of the worst stoppages of all time.
    You support the corruption because of your blind loyalty to Lewis. Your bias would also never allow you to look at the Bowe Lewis saga from a fair and neutral perspective.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Yet the only one of use two who have ever wanted Lewis to win a fight was you. You was praying for him to beat Vitali.

    The final is there for all to see, you can watch it any time you want.

    Again, no need to debate a historical fact. Bowe ducked Lewis, everyone knows this.
     
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  14. dinovelvet

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    Lewis dropped the IBF , WBA and WBC belts when he was ordered to face Byrd , Ruiz and Vitali... Did he duck all 3 of those guys?
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    Yep