Boxer beats puncher, puncher beats swarmer, swarmer beats boxer

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011.


Page 3 of 4
  1. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

    27,158
    2
    Apr 24, 2008
    Possibly, but then a technically adept swarmer could be classed as both a boxer and a swarmer which completely invalidates your argument. Truth of the matter is a fighter who can box, swarm and punch is likely to be able to beat anyone.
     
    icemax, Aug 4, 2011
    icemax, Aug 4, 2011
    #31
  2. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

    15,720
    5
    Jul 8, 2010
    Puncher ain't a style. Having sizeable punching power is an attribute, though.
     
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    #32
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

    45,002
    3
    Nov 28, 2007
    I just don't think the puncher category has ever made sense and I know its well referred to in the game. You have to have some ability to implement that power with your own style. You could be a boxer-puncher with a punch like Hearns, you could be a brawler like Big George, you could be a hybrid like Duran. They're all punchers, its just an attribute.

    What about 'Handspeeders'
     
    TFFP, Aug 4, 2011
    TFFP, Aug 4, 2011
    #33
  4. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,547
    0
    May 1, 2010
    Only if you are reading too much into it or don't understand what is mean generally by the categories. Boxer tends to mean someone who fights on the outside rather than pressures, rather than referring solely their technical ability. Chavez was good technically, but more defined by his pressure fighting.
     
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    #34
  5. DrMo

    DrMo Team GB Full Member

    22,198
    20
    Jan 29, 2011
    :lol:

    Handspeeder vs footspeeder?

    Blocker vs Dodger?
     
    DrMo, Aug 4, 2011
    DrMo, Aug 4, 2011
    #35
  6. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

    15,720
    5
    Jul 8, 2010
    :lol:
     
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    #36
  7. Moe Greene

    Moe Greene Guest

    Louis would've devastated The Rock prime for prime :yep
     
    Moe Greene, Aug 4, 2011
    Moe Greene, Aug 4, 2011
    #37
  8. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,547
    0
    May 1, 2010
    Is a fair point.

    I still don't have a problem with people being defined mainly by their power. It's not meant to be an in depth analysis. Someone who is a bit more crude regardless of style but has a punch e.g a Ketchel type.
     
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    #38
  9. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,217
    12
    Sep 21, 2006
    Iron-jawed swarming-boxer (Calzaghe/Duran) beats all at own weight.
     
    China_hand_Joe, Aug 4, 2011
    China_hand_Joe, Aug 4, 2011
    #39
  10. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

    27,158
    2
    Apr 24, 2008
    That would be a "slickster" or does that describe a footspeeder? :huh
     
    icemax, Aug 4, 2011
    icemax, Aug 4, 2011
    #40
  11. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

    15,720
    5
    Jul 8, 2010
    Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Manos de Piedra a swarmer?

    Wot'chu'takin'bout?

    Quite possibly the most skilled and well-rounded fighter ever.

    This dude effectively counter-punched Marvin freakin' Hagler over 20lbs above his natural weight class.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmIFD7DenXA[/ame]
     
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    jpab19, Aug 4, 2011
    #41
  12. DrMo

    DrMo Team GB Full Member

    22,198
    20
    Jan 29, 2011
    One can only assume you are talking about Rahman & therefore I agree:good

    Foreman, Dempsey, Lewis & maybe Holmes have a better chance against Marciano imho.

    Edit: Liston as well.
     
    DrMo, Aug 4, 2011
    DrMo, Aug 4, 2011
    #42
  13. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    9,548
    20
    Sep 30, 2009
    A traditional boxer tends to win on points via outfighting. A traditional puncher tends to win by knockout via mid-range power. A traditional swarmer tends to win on points or stoppage via infighting.

    A boxer doesn't have to have no punch or fight. A puncher doesn't have to have no skills or fight. And a swarmer doesn't have to no skills or punch. It's just what category they fall into most appropriately, what their natural style is or what they do best.

    If you box, you can outmaneveur a puncher. If you swarm, you can outwork a boxer but leave yourself open to be knocked out by a puncher ('Rickaaay!').

    The best style is none of those. It is boxer-puncher ;)
     
    atberry, Aug 4, 2011
    atberry, Aug 4, 2011
    #43
  14. Scottrf

    Scottrf Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,547
    0
    May 1, 2010
    Cheers, you seem to get it.

    Obviously I know Duran and Hearns can box...
     
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    Scottrf, Aug 4, 2011
    #44
  15. atberry

    atberry Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    9,548
    20
    Sep 30, 2009
    But that doesn't mean a boxer-puncher would be allergic or disabled at fighting inside...
     
    atberry, Aug 4, 2011
    atberry, Aug 4, 2011
    #45
Page 3 of 4