Boxer with the hardest workout routine?

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  1. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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    Not sure if this has been covered before, but what boxer is considered to have had the most grueling workouts? Reading up on the workouts of Hagler and Marciano recently its hard to imagine a more grueling training routine than these two had. And of the modern day boxers, do any of them approach this monk like zeal? :think

    Marciano's workout

    marciano would run 5-6 every day without missing a day and walk up to 10 miles in the evening in the run up to a fight he would run 10 miles a day and in the last few weeks he would run 12-15 miles.
    he would do loads of body weight exersizes and hit a 150 kg(300 pound) heavy bag for 1/2 an hour to 1 hour with out a break.
    he had a ball on string above his bed and he would hit it to help his co ordanation he also used speed bags and other old training methods.


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    Rocky spent hours punching the special heavy bag he'd had made for him. It weighed 300 pounds, much heavier than a normal heavy bag, and he had to hit it even harder to move it around. He wanted to be able to move 200+ pound heavyweights around with his body punches.
    Ben Bentley, Rocky's press agent and friend, told me Rocky would normally run at least 5-6 miles a day year round, but when a fight was signed he'd increase the distance to 9-10 miles, and usually the last week up it to 12-15 miles. On top of this, he liked to walk another 5-10 miles in the late afternoon or evening. And he did all this in the hilly country around Grossinger's, where he trained.
    It was Rocky's obsession with conditioning that kept him training 365 days a year and this dedication gave him stamina never seen before or since in a fighter. It allowed him to set a blistering pace that no fighter could match. A good heavyweight throws on average 40-45 punches a round during active rounds, and about half that when tired. Marciano averaged in the 80-85 punch range, and it wasn't unusual for him to throw over 100 punches a round. It's an axiom in boxing that a slugger tires quicker than a boxer. Marciano is the glaring exception to that rule. He could outlast the best conditioned pure boxers. The big sluggers who might have been able to hurt him lost their power after a few rounds. The better conditioned boxers didn't have the power to hurt him. Witness his wins over such excellent boxers as Roland LaStarza and Ezzard Charles. Though both stayed with Marciano for the duration their first fights with him, LaStarza 10 rounds and Charles 15, they lost because Rocky's attack never faltered. You might outbox him...you could never out punch him.
    "He could hurt you, sure, but it was the quantity of his punches. He just had more stamina than anyone else in those days. He was like a bull with gloves." Archie Moore
    "I would throw a hard punch, then he would throw a hard punch. The difference was that Rocky would throw 10 more. He just never stopped throwing punches." Roland LaStarza
    "He was a great puncher, one of the best of all-time. He just threw one punch after another, and all of them were hard." Harry "Kid" Matthews
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    Marciano liked to run up a hill near his home while training. He’d charge up it at full speed, then run backwards back to the bottom. Then he’d charge up again. Rocky did this over and over to build up his leg muscles and his stamina. Football great Walter Payton did the same thing on a hill near his home. It allowed Payton to drive with his legs and hit as hard as men who outweighed him by 60 pounds. Marciano derived the power to hurt much bigger men the same way.
    Something else Marciano did to build up his stamina and punching power was to get in a swimming pool to shoulder depth and throw hundreds of punches underwater.
    "Despite the critics who claimed he was too slow, clumsy, a brawler unskilled in the finer points of his craft, Marciano’s sheer stamina and overwhelming desire to win more than compensated for any shortcomings in his boxing style." Everett M. Skehan, author of "Rocky Marciano: Biography of a First Son"
    "Marciano’s preoccupation with physical conditioning cannot be overstressed. He was eager to train every day before a fight, and, unlike most heavyweights, he sometimes went to camp months before there was even a fight scheduled for him.Even Joe Frazier, the former champion who also prided himself on being fit…did not train with anywhere near the same dedication that Marciano devoted to it." ‘I’ve been to camp eight weeks,’ Frazier said before the Thriller in Manila, ‘The longest in my life, and I feel I’m ready.’"It is safe to speculate that eight weeks of training would not have satisfied Marciano had he been scheduled to fight Ali. He had often trained for four or five months to go against far less skilled opponents….and, although one can never be certain, there is reason to doubt whether Ali or any other fighter could have worn Marciano down and destroyed his defenses the way Muhammad did to Foreman and Frazier." Everett Skehan
    "Of all boxers it seems to have been Rocky Marciano who trained with the most monastic devotion; his training methods have become legendary. Marciano was willing to seclude himself from the world, including his wife and family, for as long as three months before a fight. Apart from the grueling physical ordeal of this period and the obsessive preoccupation with diet and weight and muscle tone, Marciano concentrated on one thing; the upcoming fight. Every minute of his life was defined in terms of the opening second of the fight. In his training camp the opponent’s name was never mentioned in Marciano’s hearing, nor was boxing as a subject discussed. In the final month Marciano would not write a letter since a letter related to the outside world. During the last ten days before a fight he would see no mail, take no telephone calls, meet no new acquaintances. During the week before the fight he would not shake hands. Or go for a rid in a car, however brief. No new foods! No dreaming of the morning after the fight! For all that was not the fight had to be excluded from consciousness. When Marciano worked out with a punching bag he saw his opponent before him, when he jogged he saw his opponent close beside him, no doubt when he slept he 'saw' his opponent constantly—as the cloistered monk or nun chooses by an act of fanatical will to 'see' only God."Madness?-or merely discipline?- this absolute subordination of the self. In any case, for Marciano, it worked." Joyce Carol Oates "On Boxing"


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    Hagler's workout


    According to a "Ring Magazine" article, Hagler used to isolate himself at the very tip of Cape Cod (near his hometown Brockton, Massachusetts) in a remote beach hotel. He would wake up at 3 AM every morning and do sprints of up to 6-8 miles on the beach at Cape Cod in heavy combat boots- half of it running backwards. Sprints are a great way to build up your endurance and body. Sprinters maximally contract their muscles, which requires a lot more work than a slow, staggered, constant run. Not to mention, your testosterone and hormones are released in greater amounts with short maximal energy bursts.

    During the winter, it was said to be one of the coldest places on Earth due to the heavy wind. Marvin would actually be screaming due to the pain of the cold and the pain in his legs and lungs. Then he went into "solitary" till six in the evening. At six, he went to the gym they'd set up alongside the pool at a hotel nearby. Your body tends to burn even more calories in the cold, as your energy expenditure increases. Therefore, this could be part of the reason why Hagler was extremely lean.

    There, they would perform a circuit of jumping rope, heavybag, speedbag, and situps (where they'd do several rounds each), but one strict rule was adhered to: three minutes work, one minute rest, for all of it. This mimics that of a typical boxing match and will get Hagler ready for his matches.

    After that they would do their sparring routine. Marvin had to have several sparring partners in camp with him because he used them up with such regularity. "Marvin don't ease up on you," said longtime sparring partner and world champion Buster Drayton. There's no play when it comes to Marvelous Marvin; "he comes to work". This is another great way to get him ready for his matches.

    Marvin would spar with three to four sparring partners, where he went two rounds each before moving on to the next fresh partner. This dramatically improved his conditioning and taught him to remain in great position even while he was tired. Drayton also said that his sparring partners would leave the ring with the insides of their mouths so chewed up from Hagler's blows that they couldn't even eat dinner that night.
    After that, he would rest, eat, and watch film of himself and his opponents. The workouts were open to the public, so he'd remove his gear, toss a nod to the audience, and return to the self-imposed solitary confinement. Those working with him in camp have said that he wouldn't even socialize, because he wanted to remain so focused on his goals. He stayed in his room, and could be seen frequently sitting alone on his balcony staring out at the Cape water for long periods at a time. Marvin made sure that he worked out 7 days a week and got atleast 100 rounds of sparring in every week, but most importantly, he was always fast asleep by 8 PM to get his 7 hours before his 3 AM run.


    http://www.muscleprodigy.com/marvelous-marvin-hagler-workout-arcl-1107.html

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  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I read somewhere that Battling Nelson had some insane workout routine....
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There's a chance battling Nelson was just insane.
     
  4. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eddie Futch said Michael Spinks was his favorite fighter to train and that covers alotta ground.
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Both legends from Brockton. Hagler probably heard a lot about Marciano's worth-ethic and determination from Goody Petronelli.

    There's Marciano commentating over his fight with Charles where he talks about running uphill. This was key for to help his legs push him forward and strong with his punchers near the later rounds. Marciano was a specimen; a brutal combination of endurance and power. One of the only fighters out there that one could accurately describe as both swarmer and slugger.
     
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  6. SLAKKA

    SLAKKA Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Rocky undid alotta that hard work stuffing his face.
     
  7. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Iron Mike. You can find it online. Early jog, ring work
    500 pushups, 2,000 situps, shoulder curls, eliptical
    bike, prob some other stuff. 7 days a week! No
    break.
     
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  8. Sakkher

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    If Mike Tyson had Marciano's work ethic when it came to training, Tyson never would have lost the title. What separates Marciano, and made him the brawling, swarming, slugging machine that has never been seen before (or since), was his fierce and uncompromising commitment to training. Six to nine miles in custom-made combat boots--that, gentlemen, is one of the same endurance training methods used by US Navy SEAL Team Six and also, US Army Delta Force commandos. And that was just the beginning of Marciano's day. Note that no other heavyweight, additionally, trained or trains with a 300 pound heavy bag. If you can hammer a 300 pound heavy bag for an hour a day, imagine what you can do in the ring against a 200+ heavyweight. Also, Marciano was a beast when it came to his pool training, standing up to shoulder height in a swimming pool, with a weighted vest on, and throwing punches underwater for up to an hour. Try that, just for 30 minutes, and see if you can raise your arms the next day. Also, Marciano did some vicious old-school stamina/strength training, such as his pit training. Marciano would stand in a pit for an hour and often more, constantly tossing rocks and boulders weighing up to 80 pounds over his head and up over the edge of the pit. He'd go all the way down, grab the boulder, and toss it in either an uppercut motion or an overhand motion. Nothing better for building strength, speed and conditioning for fighting out of a crouch.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Peter Maher seems to have set the standard for his era, even relative to people like Fitz and Jeffries.
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    James Scott, the light heavyweight contender who was incarcerated at Rahway Prison in New Jersey, did some 2,000 pushups and situps a day
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'd guess guys like Holyfield and Hopkins trained the hardest and that's why they aged so well aswell as being so fit.
     
  12. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    Working too hard is also bad though.

    Kostya Tszyu totally burned himself out with his work ethic.

    One important aspect of longevity is always being in shape, some boxers treat training camp like it's get-back-in-shape-camp instead of polishing their skills.
    Constantly getting back in shape and going out of shape again is also bad for your longevity.

    Besides that, since they're spending less time polishing their skills in training camp and more time getting back in shape they will be less skilled and get more hits in return so their longevity suffers even more.

    (Being always in shape =/= burning yourself out)
     
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  13. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Actually not. Holyfield could be lazy in the gym. The thing with these guys is that they didnt take time off between fights. They stayed fit and excercised even if it wasnt boxing. Some fighters dont see a gym after after a fight until 6-8 weeks before their next fight. Thats what ages fighters.
     
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  14. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    It's one little advantage Archie Moore had with fighting every month, he always had to stay in shape.
     
  15. Lord Tywin

    Lord Tywin Guest

    Holyfield used to make famous raids to Burger King. His physique had more to do with genetics and steroids.