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He looked exactly the same after whyte wobbled him. When ruiz blasted him and klitchko. Even when usyk got him going....his system betrayed him. We,ve seen it time and time again throughout his career.

The difference is joshuas 35 now and dubois,s youth, power, footspeed going forward and handspeed was his worst nightmare.

Go back and watch after whyte hits him... all the things you,ve listed are there to see.....his coach was mcCracken at the time.

 

I don’t know why AJ doesn’t go with McGuigan would be ideal for him

 

Its the trainer's job to fix mistakes and improve the fighter. Davison did not and seemed to add several more mistakes and flaws on top of it.

 

Surely if none of the trainers can fix the mistakes bearing in mind hes been with some pretty accomplished trainers....the problems maybe not with the trainers.

Ben might well be a great trainer or a terrible one....but joshuas showing the other night and his advise to roll the dice after being put over 4 times....outfought....outsped....and running out of time to stay in the fight....shouldnt really be the deciding factor bearing in mind this same thing keeps happening to joshua anytime hes fought anyone thats not 40 years old.

 

If Davison can only add more mistakes to Joshua then no he's not a great trainer. I don't understand why you can't admit that.

 

Good shout....or even ingle as a last throw of the dice. Shayne will at least get him fitter and give it to him straight.

Ingle would be interesting for me. One thing the ingles are good at is creating the distance that joshua needs to protect himself at this point. Joshua probably too slow on the counter for it to be effective tho tbh. But doing that ingle footwork circles etc would possibly help joshua.

Don charles worth a punt if dubois does get rid of him. Joshua gets in trouble backing up because his footspeeds too slow going backwards....what better way to stop that than pushing forwards.

All three a last roll of the dice tho tbh....joshuas big flaws will always come back to haunt him regardless of trainer imo.

 

Hes not added more mistakes hes just failed to fix the mistakes that none of the trainers we,re able to fix and no trainer will be able to fix.

Ben davidsons a good trainer with the limited stuff i,ve seen. His biggest problem is he doesnt have the experience needed for that level of boxing atm. That and hes a pretty unlikeable guy. He knows his stuff tho. Otherwise i m not sure fury, joshua, woods, josh taylor etc would have went to him in the first place.

Theres a reason joshuas going from trainer to trainer now without real success. No one can fix the flaws he has. No ones fault really. In fairness to joshua at least he went out and tried to fix it in the first place.

 

How can you watch Joshua pulling straight back with his hands down getting hit with his chin up with literally zero adjustments and say that. So many things done wrong my goodness.

 

Some context @tragedy

After ngannou, @bbjc told me that joshua was the best he’d ever been, punching harder than ever under davison, was in a fantastic position moving forward & would beat them all soon.

On saturday night he was saying joshua should retire

 

If you look further back in my history you,ll find the exact same things i m saying here. Always said joshuas flaws are too big.

Always backed wilder to beat him as well as fury etc. I,ve argued from the beginning that joshua isnt all that good.

Davidson did have him fighting the way he should have always been fighting. Instead of boxing till an oppurtunity presented itself he should have always been setting the knockout shot up. He was doing that under davidson. Dubois just showed us the flaws are still there when put to the test.

In honesty tho i thought joshua would have paggered dubois on saturday night. I dont rate dubois....hes a lot better than i thought after saturday tho.

 

Joshuas always done that under pressure. There was a time they had him fighting with a high guard but they abandoned it for a reason. His offence was too predictable with it.....was a matter of time before someone was going to punch through it without him able to keep them off.

Go back and watch him against dillon whyte under mcCracken. Them hands we,re low and the chin was up or ruiz pulling straight back with his hands down etc.

 

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He should reunite with Rob to close his career off

 

Thats ridiculous tbh. Joshua had been down four times. One of them times we all thought the ref had waved it off.

Dubois outfought him. Outsped him
Outpunched him and was on the verge of closing the show.

Joshuas fighting with his one/two or jab wasnt getting him anywhere fast. He had to try something to fight his way back into the fight before it got called off.

At that point you need to take a calculated risk....the point of a risk is it can lead you to further trouble or it could have got him back in the fight. In the end it lead him to further trouble but the alternative was pretty much to go out to a loss without taking that gamble.

The gamble almost paid off he ended up wobbling dubois.

Hindsight a wonderful thing....if it had of paid off we,d all be talking about the great advice from ben...rhodes included.

Essentially rhodes has a point in a fight where you dont need to gamble. But if your four knockdowns down one more away from getting waved off outfought....outsped and outpunched....i dont think rhodes advice is going to help you much.

 

That to me really speaks to the arrogance of Ben Davison. Train a fighter to box in a loose low hands stance that will specifically cause him to get hit a lot then when that fails to work throw a dangerous punch that if it miraculously lands will make Davison look like a genius master strategist that all the boxing world will have to grovel at the feet of. Oh if it doesn't land you'll probably get brutally knocked out though sucks for you, Anthony. Don't worry about actually keeping your hands up and not getting hit as much. Just go out there and try to make Ben Davison famous. Good luck. Roll the dice.