Boxercise Ben

Billy joe and fury we,re in horrendous condition when they went to ben. Actually pretty ridiculous that furys come back from 24 stone is viewed as a negative for ben davidson and pretty much shows the bias shown because we dont like the guy. I dont like him either tbh.....but it ridiculous to discedit him for fury.

Aj looked just as bad numerous times namely against ruiz. But no one is blaming mcCracken because no one dislikes mcCraken.

Josh taylor didnt get any better after davidson. He was too tight at the weight by that point and got worse after davidson.

Very few trainers are able to take a fighter and get rid of their flaws when the opposition is the top level or things like weight making comes into play.

No one is saying ben is the second coming....but he,s also not a fitness coach either. Dubois was faster....more powerful....stronger....more fluid.....and joshua,s athletism looks on the wane at 35.....stick the next guy in joshuas corner.....he,ll always have a great punchers chance in a rematch because hes a strong hitter but probably the same chance he ended up having under davidson. Dubois got to him first.

 

For that to be true....we have to ignore the whole times it went just as bad for joshua from way back in the amatuers. Too a novice dillon whyte....too a 41 year old klitchko...too a grossly overweight ruiz....too usyk. He had to run away all night jabbing and grabbing an even more grossly overweight guy the second time round that was a bigger underdog....who,d humiliated him to the world to get the win.

Outside of that we,re left with a collection of older men that his athletism could handle.

Are we saying mcCrackens useless because ruiz a bigger underdog bounced him about the ring?

How many trainers has he tried now? He doesnt have it is the truth. Its not his fault....its not bens fault his athletism wasnt quite good enough to overcome the natural flaws he brought to the table. One being his brain goes south for too long when he gets hurt. His reaction time isnt good enough. His judgement of distance also not good enough. Similar to khan their only fighting at the level they are because their attributes or attribute thats very strong is getting them by till its put to the test anyway where the rest of their natural attributes aren,t good enough to be elite.

 

I am speaking in hindsight after watching the joshua v dubois fight in fairness. I had joshua down for paggering dubois pretty much the opposite of what ended up happening. I think its becoming clear tho joshua is just a bit too flawed against certain fighters anyway.

 

The only person that thinks ben is the second coming is ben himself.

The problem being tho....is peoples hate for him is clouding their judgement to the point hes being blamed for joshua.....who has shown time and time again hes flawed. Or fury being 24 stone fighting and beating wilder being seen as a negative on bens part or taylor being weight drained instead being down to injury after ben or leigh woods not being given credit for picking up the pieces after getting beat off jazza dickens.

I think ben had aj fighting the way he always should have been fighting....with the type of flaws he had but it turned out it didnt really help aj much when it was put to the test. I m not a massive fan of ben tbh.....but he knows his stuff. Don charles would have been a better fit for aj....but like ben and every other trainer and human being we,re all flawed.

He should have went with someone similar to charles after ruiz 1. But the truth is joshua doesnt really want to fight he wants to technically beat people without needing to fight and get hurt and be a real fighter. Thats what he was looking for looking back it was always going to end one way. He doesnt have the iq or the technical ability to do what he was trying to do. He probably saved himself some shellackings in training camps tho. Dubois was battle hardened on saturday night and joshua was not because imo joshua doesnt really want to commit to being battle hardened because it comes at a cost he probably doesnt need to pay.

 

There was legitimate doubt about the outcome going into Klitschko-Joshua, to be fair.
Of course Klitschko was far from being a "live opponent" but there was a massive gulf in experience.

 

The point is McGuigan called live exactly what would happen if AJ listened to the advice.

 

Yep. Terrible choice for Taylor who was a killer before teaming up with him.

 

Joshua was the big favourite with the bookmakers against a 41 year old man who had been inactive for 18 months due to the antics of Tyson Luke Fury.

The only reason Hearn and Joshua took the fight was that the old man was finished yet he still nearly won.

Hearn will have Joshua fighting a couple of 3rd tier boxers again such as Whyte or Pulev hoping a Charles Martin level fighter fights for or is awarded another vacant belt.