Boxers have regressed a lot

Well don't be naughty then! :twisted:

 

What some are overlooking the fights in "the golden era" had a lot more fixes in them. The mob controlled a large portion of professional boxing. If you bother reading boxing magazines printed during the "golden era" you'll notice the matches that were real contests were rare enough to gain special notice by the boxing writers of the aforementioned golden era.


Also, if old Joe Louis had Victor Conte in his camp to help him prepare for his fight against Rocky Marciano, Rocky would have been beaten from pilar to post.


And if you bother watching the documentary about Carmine Basilio taking on the mafia to exorcise organized crime out of boxing, Basilio said something very telling about how skilled or unskilled boxers were back then; he didn't even bother to have a trainer until 4-5 years into his professional career. See how far a pug makes it these days going without a trainer.

 

You used to be cool.




:hey

REALLY looking forward to Sturm vs Geale tomorrow. Mind if I ask who you're picking?

 

On the topic of the Mob controlling Boxing ;

When the IBC ran things, and even for a while after when it was simply organised crime, atleast their was a plan to things, a scheme. What the public didn't know, didn't hurt them. There was a big picture. We got the big fights. (Well Boxing did, I wasn't even an itch my daddy's pants)

Now it's fractured, each powerful promoter has a different version of that big picture in their head, and all stop the others from ataining it.

 

Yo, I taught the Fonz that jukebox trick. 8) True blue cool never thaws, daddy-o.

Oh man, that one is so much tougher than the other MW title bout tomorrow. :yep Ask me about that one.


Gun to my dome, Sturm.


Geale is going to have to basically dump the plumbing on him (the kitchen sink and more) and just completely drench him with workrate if he's to have a chance. No ****ing way is Geale getting a stoppage, or impressing judges with "cleaner, more effective" blows.

Sturm has regressed a lot (see what I did there? ...bringing it all back around to the OP topic there... nevermind :sad2) but he's shown a real scrappy toughness and grim determination in his last few defenses. It's as though he realizes his physical faculties are slipping, so he's biting the bullet and putting in more effort to compensate. He does not want to relinquish what's his.

If he's ever forced in with a Golovkin, Pirog, or Maravilla, the jig is up.

For now, he's still operating at a high enough level to squeak by just about anyone else.

I just see Sturm catching a lot of Geale's blur of activity on his gloves, and landing the higher quality punches throughout - maybe not in adequate enough supply against Geale's torrents to satisfy 100% of ESB members (controversy is almost a certainty) but at least two judges at home.

 

But was it real competition? I remember LaMotta beating the crap out of an opponent but still getting an L anyway because the mob wanted him to lose. Not to mention there were probably quite a few fighters who pretended to lose willingly. If you look at boxing like a mosaic and step away to gain perspective, you see that the "golden era" is very overrated.

 

Sturm impressed me against Zbik, for the reasons you just stated. I've always credited him with intelligence, and as you say; he's fully aware that he's aging. He seems to be planting his feet (metaphorically) and scrapping for his title, and probably his career. I think he stops Geale, watch for Sturm's left hand to be the biggest factor in this fight.

I think Golovkin has a difficult time with Felix, really do.

 

I agree mate. I was only making a point :good People thought they were getting exactly what they wanted.

There was one fight I've seen, were George Chuvalo knocks a guy down, the ref counts to 8, goes over and picks the guy up so he's back to his feet, and then starts his count again. atsch

 

Yeah, if Danny gags on the first taste of Sturm's jab or shows any signs of not being able to stomach his power in the first couple of rounds, it's a done deal and he'll be lucky to stall long enough to last as deep as Zbik.

He's got to somehow manage to get a lot of touches on Sturm while not leaving himself square open to an accurate puncher who doesn't pack thunderbolts but knows how to punish mistakes.

The Real Deal has really got his work cut out for him, and that would be the case were this in Sydney.

I can see Geale by swarming, overwhelming decision if Sturm got old overnight, or Geale has the night of his life. More likely however, would be Sturm by decision - quality over quantity, some (mainly Aussies or his usual critics) will deride it as 'more home cooking'. Sturm by wear and tear, late breakdown stoppage is also in play if he's in berserk "this is my ****ing castle" mode.

 

I've always felt Geale could win at a neutral venue.But do you really think he's capable of winning the proverbial 13 rounds in Germany?:think

 

Like I said, he's got a lot of sweat and toil to put in if he wants to convince those who need convincing in that atmosphere (where every Sturm jab that isn't clearly a miss or block is going to be treated as though Geale were on ***** St.)

A straight-on attack won't cut it. He needs to use lateral movement and try to crack Sturm's shell from side angles. He basically needs to keep all four limbs hustling for three minutes of every round, for a full 48. His stamina is decent, but can it hold up to the rigors he'll need to put himself through to collect the kitty of belts? :think

 

The only way I see Geale getting a fair crack is if he actually puts Sturm on ***** St 2 or 3 times over the full course of the fight,and that's unlikely.
Sturm is probably the #1 beneficiary of Bundesjudging these days,and you'd probably need to be a Klitschko or a Hooook to get the nod over him without making him do the Zab dance.:-(
I also have this starnge feeling that Sturm has one last really big performance in him though.Just not sure if it'll be against Geale.
Could be though.:conf
I'm not ashamed to admit I find this fight a very tough one to call.

 

You got to have a middle ground here.

To think the likes of Joe Louis or Jack Johnson could survive against a
6'5-6'6 Boxing evolutionist monster like Lennox Lewis is a joke. To think that a fat slob like Chris Arreloa could go back into the 70's and dominate base on his size is also a joke.
There is a middle ground.

I personally believe the very peak of boxing evolution was Lewis.

Lennox is the boxing prototype of what we call a 'super champion'

He's 6'5-6'6. athletic, great power, great foot work, great jab, 244 pounds of fighting muscles. He's basically the boxing prototype of a 'perfect fighter'
His chin is massively underrated, he fought a long long line of big punchers and took them all out. Lewis was lazy and lost twice, but that have NOTHING to do with his physical gifts and is irrelevant when talking about the
'perfect boxing body'
I feel that Wladimir is basically a Lewis clone in terms of body and physical gifts. Wlad got some gifts Lewis didn't have, but missed out on some others.

The bottom line is, when it comes to PHYSICAL GIFTS, Lewis and Wlad is closest to boxing perfection.

 

The first half of your post was brilliant.

The second half was inkeeping with every other peice of shite you've put on this forum.

 

Actually a really good post. Won't agree that Wlad is a Lewis clone though. Aside from their physical gifts they're quite different fighters.