Boxers have regressed a lot

Prove to me why Lewis and Wlad's physical aspects does not equal the perfect boxing body?

That was the entire 2nd half of my point. The perfect fighting machine is

6'5'-6'6, fast, powerful, great jab, great power, able to fight on the inside, great foot work, strength, agility,flash.

What's your perfect fighting body? 6'3 Ali? Why be 6'3 if you can be 6'5-6'6 but also keep your speed, reflexes, except with MUCH more power and greater strength?

 

You've missed the entire point of the thread you ******. :roll:

Bet you're Doctor Larry too.

 

I was getting to the 2nd part before I was rudely interrupted.

I get what bballerchuarpion or whatever his name is, I get what he's trying to say. But he generalized way too much, the 90's is a modern era that produced Floyd Mayweather, Lennox Lewis, Pernell Whitaker, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins.

they are inferior to Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Roberto Duran, Aaron Pryor, how?
If they are indeed inferior, it can't be by much. Let me ask this question:how many of you guys even WATCHED the 2nd teir guys of the 60's and the 70's and the 80's fight?

You guys watch the FAB Four in your little basements, THEN watch Victor Ortiz, and nod your heads and say **** like 'Yep Yep, BBALLERCHAMP sure is smart, it ain't like the good ole days'.

Have any of you SEEN the Victor Ortiz of the 80's? Do you want me to link the 'victor' of the 80's? Do you guys want me to link the Derek Chisora of the 60's? They are no better and no worst then the Chisoras and Ortizez of the modern era.

 

You're still missing the point you idiot

Later, I will explain.

 

EXPLAIN SOON. :fire:fire

 

Yours is a great list. Their are many dozens more from tougher eras that are as good as these fighters. If your think we are in one of boxing's better era's your insane.

 

Wow, you are taking a lot of strange leaps. Some fixed fights does not invalidate all fights prior to 1980 anymore than corruption and fixed fights invalidates boxing completely today. As for your Victor Conte comment how could we possibly know? It's hard to maintain a commentary on this topic with 3/4's of the participants being little more than fan boys but huirt over the notion their favorite fighters are not the all time great.

 

I would argue that there has always been a percentage of boxers who were complete all round fighters, while the rest have been a step below them. What should of happened is that the percentage should of increased due to fight footage and those formers fighters becoming trainers, but that has not happened for whatever reason.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo9zzGccQ0o&feature=g-vrec[/ame]

fight between Curtis Cokes and Stanley Hayward. Cokes was 34-6-2 and Hayward was 18-2-1 if boxrec is right. you don't even see the elites of today doing it like this. just the way these guys move. today's fighters don't have these techniques! and this is just a random fight i chose. this is a great fight by the way.

 

100%! Couldn't agree with you more on this topic.

 

Technique has regressed but medicines,vitamins, athleticism for the most part(basically physical have progressed). In modern boxing, most young guys don't have that savy and kraftiness no more. I mean, guys are praising Maidana just for jabbing? I thought every fighter was suppose to know what a jab was! "Technique" is some trash now for the most part! Than can apply to the era but I don't feel like going deep into that now.

Great part about feinting too. Incredibly difficult to name young fighters who do that. Donaire? Rigo? Alvarez?

Pride of the youth I guess. Guys don't wanna listen and idiotically assume they are good enough as guys now are more athletic and have better ways to deal with health. But what hapens when that athleticism fades? Might wanna pop in some Duran dvds to see how one can age gracefully in the ring for instance.(5 decades? Who'll do that now?)

I think quite highly of Olivares, Tunney, Johnson, Marciano,etc. for example. Great technicians of the past.

 

You've got to admit though, Sugar Ray Robinson tastes defeat against Magic Matthew Hatton-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=430824

 

Don't even.

Barrera-Morales I.