To be honest those fights were boring. Margarito and Pac are past their prime and stinking up their recent outings. As far as that goes Mayweather vs Cotto was **** compared to Floyd's fights when he was at his best. I don't know if he is fading or if he just had a bad game plan/off night. Ali's last fights were not the most exciting affairs either as watching an older fighter with deteriorating skill is seldom fun.
Well done bball! Only the other week in a Floyd/Ray Leonard thread,someone said something along the lines of;"Boxers are far more skilled nowadays.Back when Leonard and Duran were fighting,all they had to do was get in the ring and throw punches":yikes I despair if that's the mentality of any young boxing fan,far less a significant number. And there's a common perception that gets on my tits that Duran is some sort of mega-aggressive old-school Ricardo Mayorga.atsch The guy is one of the most skilled all round fighters that's ever walked into a gym.He's much more than a roughousing hard man and some people need to start realising this.
The quality has been very bad of late - an abysmal up and coming talent pool. It's quite clear "modern" training doesn't work for boxing - being a good fighter wins fights, for the most part. Thus, Broner can eat his chile cheese sunday and morales can live on tequila and quesidillas and still win fights - but in general the up and comers have less stern tests to pass, less experience, and are manufactured for a look instead of by fighting to the top over and over like a Hagler or some of those 1980s and early 1990s fighters had to do. Mayweather is a complete fighter, but very few others are, and older and older marque competitors is a sign that something is amiss in the development of young up and coming fighters.
Leonard was a greater fighter than Floyd but lets get real. If anything he was more protected than Floyd ever has been. He was the original Golden Boy with the cards stacked in his favor. He sought out challenges and deserves credit but he also followed the money just like Floyd does. You don't honestly think Duran was favored to win that first fight do you? If Duran didn't pursue SSL how would he have gotten paid? Things haven't changed that much.
Sugar Shane Leonard? :hey (Couldn't resist, sorry!) Agreed, largely in Boxing; only the clothes are different.
There was actually two of them in the same thread with very similar opinions.I would have taken it as a joke were it not for the seriousness that was clearly on display.The main gist of it was that Floyd is from a different planet to any other boxer and none of us had the abilty to think back in the 80's.atsch
Thanks for the feedback guys :good I agree also with the notion that the great fighters since 2000 would be good in any era. The problem is mostly the fighters below that. I think one thing that could cause for that is also the amount of fights fighters took. Mayweather and Oscar both had years just in the 90's were they fought 5+ times in one year as champion, not just a prospect. Cus D'Amato told Tyson if you want to be great at something, then you have to do it often (something like that). And if you look at Tyson, he fought 15 times in one year and was heavyweight champion of the world in his second year as pro with 28 fights. The Heavyweight Champion of the world had 28 fights in just two years
Prospects aren't put into fights they might lose any more. When I was younger, if a kid got beaten by a wily veteran or established gatekeeper, the general consensus was "he'll learn from this and come back better." Now, the kid is a "hypejob" and banished from TV. As a result, many prospects don't learn how to adapt to a plan B, yet alone a plan C. They over rely on their chosen skill set and win or lose according to that. Of course there are obvious exceptions.
Also, to add...Boxers from the past are far more tougher than most of today's fighters...They fought the best on consistent basis instead of having long layoffs. Good thread BBall!:good
:good thanks man. I agree with that also. All the belts and more weight divisions helped create that mess :-(