Boxers never cease to amaze me with their idiotic training methods

So which current or past heavyweight has crazy bone mass and bone density?
Deontay Wilder is a lanky 6'7 220lbs dude. If he were 6'3(my height) his proportional equivalent would be like 180lbs, maybe 190. Foreman and Norton both looked to have thick wrists, Evander Holyfield not so much

 

Could well be that, among other things. I think probably timing needs to be perfect too. When I've seen big explosive guys landing flush with full-body punches and mediocre opponents don't budge, maybe they just don't have the knack for perfectly timing the punch. It's not apparent but it could be that.
Then you might see some freak skinny-fat guy who doesn't even lift come along and he's sparking the same opponents out with flappy technique. It's hard to tell what's going on.
It's weird.

ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, lifting more is only going to add power, but things are far from equal when comparing one individual to another.

In Jarrell Miller's case though, he's just a bit crap. I wouldn't ever expect him to do much against someone like Mariusz Wach anyway, so his excuses are of little interest.

 

Every month for the last year I have been wearing and increasing a weight vest. Started at 10 pounds. Currently on a 110 pound vest. Whenever I take it off I move twice as fast.

 

What do you think about the old martial arts training where they punched sand to solidify the bones in the hand? I know that Vovchanchyn did it in the old days but he blew his hands to smithereens anyway.

 

Nice thread!

 

meh, maybe that's code for him not being able to take PEDs.

 

If you go on YouTube type in big boy takes body punches off world champion Mikey Garcia it should come up mate. On for 49 minutes I m sure. Think the stuff they we,re talking about was later in the video. But whole video probably worth a watch.

You a naturally big guy mate or bulked your way up. Was actually surprised the big Mexican hit as hard as he did. Seen loads of big guys that can't punch to save their life's. Mental how some can and others can't. Found it interesting what the guy was saying about doing the weights at speed instead of what a lot of weightlifters do go heavy but obviously cause its so heavy its usually slow work etc.

 

i truly believe the fist itself is what makes a puncher...the shape,the size and hardness of the bones matters a lot!

 

I share the same opinion as those lifters. There's a right and wrong way to use weights for boxing. Too many people get worried about the vanity lifts. In reality, most of the benefit comes from low rep, high explosive compound movements. They train multiple large muscle groups throughout the kinetic chain to work together faster, smoother, more efficiently, and more powerfully. That can translate to increased punching power provided they're integrated into the workouts properly.

Olympic weightlifters are a good template to use because their goal lines up with the boxer's: to maximize strength while dealing with a weight limit.

It's still not terribly common to see because those lifts are not easy to teach safely, and there's not much overlap between the two schools. A bigger name fighter could afford a great Olympic lifts coach, but by that point in time, many don't want to reinvent the wheel since whatever they were doing prior obviously had a positive effect.

 

he looked terrible.... hes so open to be hit its crazy.. hes lucky he had a slow as hell Viking in front of him... Joshua and wilder will tee off on mr miller... and parker would just punch his face for 12 rounds . miller is at the bottom of the top 10 at best...

 

No. The force of your punch, assuming you are throwing with proper technique to maximize the force of the punch, is pretty much determined by grip, mass, and speed. Bone density as well. A lot of boxers, even power punchers, don't lift weights that often. Bench press and overhead press will pretty much do **** all for that. You can do kettlebell exercises though which generally improves your grip which is a direct correlation.

Miller never had a lot of power to begin with but his problem in this fight was probably the earlier injury his mentioned and his lack of sparring.

Also, a lot of times when guys bulk up and increase their mass it cancels out because they lose around an equal amount of speed. You can actually observe this in other boxers if you go to gyms and watch the workouts they do. You're not going to see a lot of guys lifting heavy weights and if you do they likely aren't even the heaviest hitters. You can even look at the physique of some pros to get an idea of this.

It is also a completely different motion. There isn't a direct correlation there.

 

This. Miller just isn't that skilled.

 

Not necessarily, it’s other exercises that’s way better than bench press, but in general, weightlifting have little to do with punching power.

 

I fought both, boxing is more challenging