Boxers who are good in almost every catagory?

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  1. xRedx

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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    PBF and Ward are the most complete boxers in the game. Both can fight at all ranges with good defense and a high ring IQ.
     
  3. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward relies on headbutts at close range which is BS.
     
  4. REEVO

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    Mayweather and Roy jones 10 years ago
     
  5. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Log off. Ward is a great inside fighter tough as nails good defense very smart and crafty on the inside.
     
  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Louis
    Robinson
    Ezzard
    Monzon

    Mayweather
    Donaire
    Ward
    Ioka

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    Pretty much the best fighters all time and currently active fit this description.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Good shout out. Speed and power both seem very average, which is interesting. Everything else he does compensates enough for that to make him a top fighter in his division, though, which is impressive.

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  8. xRedx

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    Ward is a good inside fighter? Everytime this guy goes for a big punch, his back up plans if they miss are clinches and headbutts.

    Big time dirty fighter, got no skills. If he had skills he wouldn't rely on intentional headbutts and constant clinching.

    Ok, answer this one question:

    If Andre Ward is so skilled on the inside why does he have to rely on headbutts and clinches at times?
     
  9. Hooch

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    JMMarquez, Winky Wright, Ricardo Lopez, Evander Holyfield

    From the modern era hardly any weaknesses there.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I think the headbutts are a result of Ward being all up in his opponents' chest going to work on them. He doesn't have the power to force his opponents backward, so they try to stand their ground and since Ward has his face (legally) planted in their chest, naturally headbutts will occur. The clinching (legally) allows Ward to stay in the pocket where he damages his opponents more than he does on the outside.

    I think he is the best inside fighter currently in boxing. No close second comes to mind.

    The Allan Green fight is a perfect example of beautiful inside boxing. It is his worst opponent since before Kessler, but nonetheless a great display of inside boxing. At the time, Green was feared and Ward was expected to fight on his back foot from the outside the whole fight. I remember Carl Froch praising Green and saying that if he were Ward and Green were the substitute for Jermaine Taylor's withdrawal, he would be upset.
     
  11. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    That's because you're a irrational Ward hater who doesn't see or doesn't know what the **** he's looking at when Ward is working inside.:deal Ward is a magnificent inside fighter. Strategic clinching is part of great inside fighting used to break up your opponents rhythm. I guess you just started following the sport? PBF strategically clinches and so does Hopkins. Clinching is part of the sport holding isn't. Ward isn't holding on the inside like for example Berto or Khan who want to buy time looking not to engage and doesn't work while there. Ward on the other hand is looking to work nullify his opponents offence pick his shots and score points. Ask Froch how good Ward is on the inside. He had Froch lost while he was inside with Ward. I'll say it again Ward is a great inside fighter arguably the best in the sport at educated inside fighting.

    As for the headbutts they happen but he's not headbutting intentionally just accidental contact. You will just look for any way to try and discredit Ward.
     
  12. xRedx

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    Clinching is part of good inside game? People who clinch have to clinch because they got no inside game. Fighters who can stay in the pocket and land shots while blocking or slipping the opponents punches is good inside game. Clinching everytime an opponent gets close or smashing your big head into the opponents eyes is not good inside game

    If the headbutts are accidental why does it a recurring thing in Ward's fights?

    Common sense says that if you headbutt once or twice then yes it can be accidental but if it happens over and over again then its on purpose.

    I hate how in boxing, headbutts can only be ruled accidental or intentional, thats complete BS. When a fighter gets headbutted, the fighter who headbutted should lose a point too compensate for the cut eye or heavy damage suffered.

    When a headbutt is ruled accidental, thats like getting a free shot.
     
  13. jeffjoiner

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    The obvious have been named repeatedly: Mayweather, Ward, etc.

    I really like the Danny Garcia and Austin Trout shouts. Those are guys who are solid in every category, but not sensational in many. Those guys keep being underdogs because their opponent often has one shining attribute which is greater than theirs. But they are so solid they keep winning.
     
  14. Pimp C

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    I guess PBF has no inside game then since he strategically clinches???:-(

    Strategic clinching is part of a good inside boxing game when done right it can break up your opponents rhythm and frustrate them. A lot of guys on the inside don't know how to properly strategically clinch I've seen it time and time again. Cotto for example against Margo in the first fight should have used it but he didn't.
     
  15. xRedx

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    The headbutts are on purpose, not accidental. He does the headbutts in such a way that it is ruled accidental but it was on purpose. Look at this:

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    He misses a big punch and moves his head in position to land a headbutt (intentionally) on Kessler's eyebrow. This is what he does, miss a big shot headbutt or clinch. How can you look at that and tell me it's not intentional.

    #HeadbuttBoys
    Evander Holyfield
    Tim Bradley
    Rodel Mayol
    Bernard Hopkins
    Andre Ward