Boxers who have self enhanced their "legacy" in retirement

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  1. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The one that springs to my mind is Steve Collins ..

    Does anyone remember "The gloves are off-Super Middleweight Special " with Roy Jones jnr,Calzaghe,Eubank,Woodhall and the man himself Steve Collins around a table.

    The premise was immediately undermined by the decision to appoint the thick and disrespectful palooka Johhny Nelson to ask banal questions and make chaotic interruptions just as the fighters were opening up


    We are here to discuss fighters who "enhanced" their own legacy deep into retirement to the extent later fans do beleive their self aggrandizement.

    As for the show,which I hope someone can kindly link in....it was dominated by a confident Steve Collins gaslighting the viewer that somehow in 1990 Jones jnr v Collins was the fight the world was crying out for ..however Collins argued passionately that he belonged at the top table and in shades of Mike McCallum was denied a rightful seat as a top fighting attraction.Its a worthy argument this man was tough

    He made derogatory comments to Jones but claimed " anyone can be beaten with planning".

    In the past Collins has boasted about performing well with Marvin Hagler in sparring.

    He also feels he shouldve got the nod in his 3 losses and is adament that he beat prime Benn and Eubanks. Some may even argue he never actually lost a fight.This is a tough confident warrior who deserves to have his words taken on merit before they are dissected.

    How did you score his 3 "losses" or the Eubanks series?

    The facts as I see them are his 2 wins over Benn were highly impressive...i would have loved for him to fight on 2-3 more yesrs defending his wbo title......I think a fight with Jones jnr wouldve looked similar but worse to the pazienza fight but one must take at face value Collins claim he had a plan and as slways my opinion could be very wrong as the fight didnt happen.

    What do others feel about Collins merits? Has he to use a more obvious vehnacular "bbullsshitted" his legacy.Or do you accept it as its told by this great warrior

    Discuss others like him
     
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  2. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All boxers are cocky ...Self belief is something a boxer needs to have ...how do explain how a fighter can train hard for a fight ....get his ass kicked ...and then say to himself “ I wanna fight that same guy again “
     
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  3. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With that being said ...Steve Collins looked ordinary to me ... and none of his losses are controversial
     
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  4. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Have you ever read In This Corner? Boxers are often extremely biased and lacking in objectivity when looking back on their own careers (especially their losses), so Collins is not alone in that respect.

    Collins was good, not one of the greats. He did push Mike McCallum very close. His loss to Johnson was close too. He could have nicked either, but they weren't robberies. He really caught Eubank and especially Benn right at the end of their careers.
     
  5. Italian Stallion

    Italian Stallion Active Member Full Member

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    Do you think there's anything Golota can do in retirement to enhance the legacy of his pro career?
     
  6. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with the general sentiment of others who have posted, in that boxers appear to be the most commonly afflicted sportspeople with self-aggrandizement issues.

    Collins does stand out a tad for me, though - I must say. I seem to recall Collins always going on about how RJJ ducked him and that he knew that he would have won that fight, had it come to fruition.

    It seemed as odd then as it does today. I also have a vague memory of the awkward politeness that went on throughout that Super Middleweight Special show (Thank the lord for Chris Eubank Sr, playing the role of elder statesman).

    Another SMW, who has done what he can to boost his place in history, post-retirement, is Carl Froch, having recently placed himself as the number-3 of all time in that division - not surprisingly, ahead of Calzaghe. I don't begrudge Froch getting his due credit and he has a good argument for top-10, but his obsession with Calzaghe (however jovial he appears to make it, these days) spans more than a decade and a half - and even years into his retirement.
     
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  7. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No
     
  8. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I found the Tommy Loughran interview especially cringe-worthy... and Don Jordan's story possibly the weirdest think I've ever read!
     
  9. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also enjoyed Joey Giardello and Gene Fullmer giving a vastly different account of the same fight!
     
  10. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And how about Mickey Walker's detailed description of his street fight with Greb, after their world title fight? Even though we today know, this never happened!
     
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  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Collins was a strong tough guy,a warrior without much in the way of skills .He never faced the best of his own era and beat past their sell by dates of the best Brits he did meet , who in turn also avoided the top Yanks. The best two Americans he did face beat him ,and one of them McCallum,schooled him.
     
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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Jim Corbett and Gene Tunney are two of the worst offenders.
     
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  13. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you listen to George Chuvalo he never legitimately lost a fight. He even reckons the Foreman fight was stopped prematurely and he had him where he wanted him.
     
  14. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The way Tunney "bigged up" Dempsey was embarrassing!
     
  15. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather in 2009 when Pacquiao could have ended him.