Boxers who permanently effected their oppenents

Ricky Fatton did this to Kostya Tszyu. At the time of that fight no one expected something like that to happen.

 

Was gonna say Hagler - Mugabi but been mentioned.

I'll say Sanders changed Wlad. Lewis - Grant and maybe Golota but he was a basket case .

 

Stupid and off topic? Why stupid? As for off topic, the OP asked the question, Boxers who permanently affected their opponents...I was just giving an opinion in reply.

Tyson was a huge favourite going into the 1st fight v Holy (I really don't remember the odds for the 2nd fight), but this largely was due to the fact that Holy was widely considered utterly washed up after Bowe 3 & the Czyz fights, not necessarily because of what Tyson had done in his 4 fights since prison - all those 4 fights proved was that Tyson could blow out terrified and/or overmatched opposition.

Tyson's aura (particularly to people inside the sport) after the Douglas fight and particularly after prison WAS NOT the same as it was pre-Douglas...trust me on this one...he was hyped by the press and to the casual boxing fan they bought the spiel hook line and sinker, but to people in the know he was not the same. I suspect Tyson knew deep down he wasn't the same too - he took the Holy fight because he thought it was an easy mark.

With all respect (and correct me if I;m wrong) I suspect you weren't there at the time...sadly I am old enough that I was there at the time...

Cheers...

 

What exactly was his aura then? He still received ridiculous odds in his favor and made opponents like Seldon and Bruno almost **** their pants before the fight. You could even say his aura grew while he was in prison.

I'm saying it's off topic because it's an abstract concept and not what the thread is talking about. Tyson showed more in-ring against Ruddock than he had against Bruno I and Douglad probably because he realized he had to train again.

 

Pavlik-Miranda and Pavlik-Taylor.

 

I guess this comes down to a simple choice of opinions...

Do you think Tyson was as feared after the Douglas fight than before?

I don't think he was. If you do, that's cool...it probably down to whom you ask...

Granted, he did make opponents like Seldon & Bruno **** their pants, but I would say less feared Tyson post Douglas than pre-Douglas.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here...

 

JCC - Taylor.

 

You can always use rubber bands.

 

I'll probably credit Holyfield with that. After Douglas you still had guys like Tillman and Stewart who were beaten before the bell, even Ruddock mainly looked to survive. Even post-prison guys like Bruno and Seldon were ****ting themselves. After Holy I think it was a different thing, though.

 

Was any aura shattered like Frazier's after Foreman? For a respected and feared champion like Frazier to be bounced around like that... When has that ever happened before?

Not that he had the aura of Liston, Foreman and Tyson at their peaks, but he was undefeated, beaten Ali and walked through most of his other opponents without too much fuss, and Foreman just handled him like he was nothing. Sure, Douglas gave Tyson a good hiding and a boxing lesson, but Foreman spanked the formidable Smokin' Joe like he was an errant child. He made it seem an absolute mismatch.