Boxers who would be the best barroom brawlers?

I remember reading Jackie Gleasons biography and in it was a story of how when he was a young stand up comic working shitty bars he often encountered hecklers and being a big Irish guy his way of dealing with them was to take them outside and kick their arse's.

One night some short, fat obnoxious guy was giving him lip during his act and The Great One invited him outside whereupon the loud mouth guy knocked poor Jackie out cold for 20 minutes with a single punch and then returned to his seat in the bar.

The fat loud mouth was of course Tony Galento but Gleason didn't hold any ill will towards him and actually praised Tony for only punching him once fair and square and not resorting to sinking the boots in or any other dirty ****.

So maybe Tony wasn't such an animal on the streets.


Oops on further reading I see you've heard this one already.

 

In some cases, yes. In this case we're dealing with 2 well versed street fighters and one has enormous physical advantages over the other in just about every area.

We all know that LaMotta is incredibly tough, but there are too many physical gaps he'd have to jump inorder to actually beat Moorer in a street fight.

If we were talking about LaMotta vs some random street fighter that is Moorer's size or bigger, I'd heavily favor LaMotta. But obviously Moorer is a very qualified and highly trained fighter who knows how to use every bit of his size.

 

Jeff Fenech was a bat**** crazy street fighter.

His trainer Johnny Lewis recounts when they were leaving after an amateur fight when Jeff was a young pup and outside this big bloke said something to Fenech's then girlfriend. Fenech then went beserk and belted this big bloke, flattened him and started ramming his head into the footpath and it took a group of them to drag him off.

Lewis was stunned but he also thought "If this bloke can fight half as well in the ring as he can on the street he could be anything".

And he was.

 

Tyrell Biggs seemed to understand this. Henry Tillman once relayed to me an incident when they were all on the same Olympic squad where Biggs made some comment that pissed off little Paul Gonzales. Paul was a tough L.A. street kid and wasn't taking it. He got in Tyrell's face and challenged him right then and there. Biggs backed down.

 

Wow. Suprised it took so long to mention Fenech. He was and remains totally psycho. In the early/mid 90's he badly beat up a 300 pound bouncer. There was legal action that could have seriously disrupted his boxing career.

 

I think that physical advantages count for a lot more, when behaviour is constrained by rules.

 

Not if it goes to the floor. And according to law enforcement more than 80% of altercations end up on the ground. Sucks to wrestle a behemoth, even when you really know how to wrestle.

 

To an extent, yes. But what could LaMotta realistically do to Moorer than Moorer couldn't do to LaMotta in a more devastating fashion?

LaMotta's punches wouldn't affect Moorer, he wouldn't be able to come close to matching Moorer's strength, they'd have about the same handspeed, and both are known streetfighters. I see no possible way LaMotta would beat Moorer in an alley or in a ring.

 

Galento managed to get Joe Louis shaky with a single hit, he also knocked down Louis again with pretty much a single hit.
The guy had zero defence, and Louis had to make his face a bloody pulp before he went down.
Monster of a chin, extreme power.

 

I know its odd, but if someone like Louis was provoked into a streetfight he would be very dangerous, he was a ruthless cold killer in the ring, and I wouldn't want to be the person who would provoke him enough to lash out.

 

Interesting, but even on that basis the smaller guy would have more options than in a boxing ring.

 

Those guys weren't elite trained fighters. I've already mentioned that I would heavily favor LaMotta to beat anyone Moorer's size or bigger in a street fight that wasn't professionally trained championship level fighter.

LaMotta himself likely punched much harder than your average street fighter walking around that was 6'3, 250 lbs. The difference is, Moorer is used to taking taking punches from people far more powerful than LaMotta and from guys who are trained to knock people out.

Someone can have all the will in the world, but when they are knocked out cold or to the ground with under 5 punches, it won't do them any good.

 

Tyson cant murder Mitch Green, but Golota is a bad ass...the same Golota who QUIT against Tyson

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Golota did. He just wanted to go home. And even so he was so strong he was accidentally, without even trying, winning round two. There's a lot of mysteries about Golota and his strange fights, like this one, like the one where he was apparently doped up to the gills vs. Lewis, like the fights he apparently deliberately lost vs. Bowe twice, vs. Grant. On the other hand, what people forget about him is that he should have been the heavyweight champ twice as he legitimately with no ****** business whatsoever, and despite the machinations of the crooked house referee, Randy Neuman, beat both Ruiz and Byrd and was robbed by the house judges both times.

Anyway, in a bar room brawl Andrew would just go straight for the balls.