Boxers who would have done well v. kickboxers or MMA fighters

Duran is a proper choice for this one, for already stated reasons.

Lomachenko cross trains with some MMA/kickboxing techniques and would be athletic enough to adapt his style, I believe. I'd compare him in MMA terms to a prime Dominck Cruz, but much, much better, and his subtle close range skills could benefit him well.

I think Dempsey could handle himself well in a MMA situation, able to close in fast, hit hard, and mercilessly follow up on a knockdown. Gloves of his time were smaller on average, too, so he'd be better able to deal with the 4oz gloves.

Sam McVea actually did fight in mixed rules bouts in his time against jiu jitsu trained opponents. Once he figured out what he was dealing with, he crushed his foes. Certainly not the equivalent of a modern wrestler with well rounded skills, but I'd credit him for being able to adapt and impose his strengths.

 

Loma's massive amateur record and his proven record against quality title level opponents seems enough test to me, he endured a shoulder injury early in the Linares fight and got up to put him away, which showed plenty toughness. The Salido fight might be seen as a counter point, but unless he's facing the MMA Bantamweight version of Cheick Kongo, Eusibio Pedroza or Andrew Golata, with a minimalist ref, then he shouldn't have to be concerned about those sorts of extracurriculars.

I'd also add that his southpaw approach and his angles would make it tough for a lot of kickboxers to set up their bread and butter.

 

Any of the Thai boxers with some kickboxing background (too many to list) obviously.

 

Manny Pacquaio comes to mind as far as explosiveness and in and out capability. His foot speed and agility was very underrated.

 

Mike Tyson could close the distance and land some quick hard blows

 

Well, i trained only pure boxing in the past, now i train grappling,japanese jiu jitsu/ judo in the dojo and also i train a bit Of bjj with a partner that he is blue belt in bjj. Like Tyson admited, a boxer only punching with his hands has nearly zero chance to beat a guy with ability in grappling or wrestling.
If you meant a boxer fighting in a mma fight but he is only doing what he knows.. Pure boxing then You need the typical rude,tough,strong,brawler like david Tua with heavy legs and low center of gravity.
But if you meant that the boxer learned first some ground game then a natural athletic and strong guy like Holyfield could be a good pick . Honestly overall a boxer have poor chance.
Brawlers like dempsey would do much better than guys like Ali or Holmes. A very long 6'7 guy like wilder with a huge right hand could score some good knock outs but he would be taken to the floor and finished, he has very weak legs no stability. Lennox lewis does not have the chin for a clean shot with mma gloves.

If you are talking about karate then the boxer wins no doubt, a karateka is not a guy trained with a full contact you are not allowed to knock out your rival in a karate competition it is why was created the full contact.
You can't even compare kick boxing or muay thai fighters with karatekas. thai and kick boxers are solid like rocks and they train and fight with full contact until the ko,their bodies are much more solid and their chins are trained for taking a full power shot

 

I'd agree 100% with this, I think Holyfield was considered for UFC 1, although they didn't have a chance in the world to sign him for it, Wilder would be in a world of trouble if he didn't land a flash KO, and I don't feel like Lennox's style lent itself well, either.

I'm also remembering now that Dempsey would be even better, having shown his knowledge in basic judo and wrestling techniques in some of the instructional books he co-authored, there's a great picture of him sinking in a guillotine, d'arce choke and a rear naked choke among other submissions in How to Fight Tough.

 

Overall a grappler or wrestler will close the distance and it is all over for the striker.

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Francois Botha actually competed in kickboxing for a prolonged stretch and beat some respectable names.

 

Yeah he did fine against a good name like lebaner and lasted the distance once against bonjasky(he got ****ed by a high kick in other fight)

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But like i said ,the type of boxers that makes fine in other contact sports with kicks usually are robust boxers with natural thick legs, a boxer never trained the impact in the legs so a thai or kick boxer will destroy his legs with low kicks and it is all over.

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To me : for a valetudo fight
grappling/wrestling>thai /kick boxing>boxing

 

Yeah. I think that old school boxers like sullivan or jack johnson would do much better in a vale tudo fight. Dempsey was also a natural street fighter he was not a pure cute well schooled boxer

 

I think that most early champions would fare better than more modern boxers. Jeffries could be a monster given that he trained wrestling and got praise for it back then. Natural fighters like Dempsey or Fitzsimmons would be great because they were experienced in off ring fighting.

 

Agreed. Someone like David Tua would have done well IMO, though he would have always been at a disadvantage to the taller guys who could keep him at bay with knees. Might have had a similar career to someone like Mike Zambidis.

Very aggressive and heavy handed guys like Shannon Briggs and Corrie Sanders might have had some success as well. Their poor gas tanks wouldn't have been an issue in three or five round fights.

Of more recent guys I think someone like Marco Huck or Helenius would do well. Huck because he's so wild and aggressive, Helenius because of his height, heavy hands and solid meat and potatoes punching style which reminds me somewhat of Peter Aerts.

At lower weights Maidana would have been a beast.