Boxers with cold patience?

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  1. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    I've been binge-watching Monzon's title fights recently and what strike me most about Monzon (and perhaps what I love most when watching him) is the sense of cold patience and calculatedness I get from Monzon. Everything he does has a purpose and he thinks ahead for what he needs to do and how he'll do it all behind that steely, cold, expressionless face he wore in the ring. So, my question is this: which fighters have a similar kind of cold patience in the ring?
     
  2. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

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    Wlad. Maybe too much patience. I think he tried to beat some of his opponents with old age.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, it's a good question. Roman Gonzalez is a very good example of this. It was awful watching him understand more and more about his opponent and weave longer and longer combinations together. All the guys who pressure the space - Joe Louis, Career II Juan Manuel Marquez being my favourite examples.

    Footage of Jack Johnson is sometimes hard to interpret, but good grief.
     
  4. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Archie Moore. He was relatively aggressive, but he wasn't looking to get a knockout in the conventional sense of just beating a man into submission. He would figure out which position was most favorable for dealing with his guy, and would then start surgically tearing them apart. I went on a Moore marathon a few weeks back, and I noticed that he would sometimes change levels and jab downstairs, or fake a jab downstairs, and would then (after changing levels again and going upstairs) just leave his arms out there, like Hasim Rahman would, and he would always, without exception, follow up with a right hand. I assume this was just a very expressive way of feinting and faking, but maybe it's a more profound trick that I haven't accurately figured out.

    A sports columnist once called him a Ring mechanic due to his methodical approach, because he knew the little spots he needed to exploit to get the job done. He is a lovely fighter to study.
     
  5. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford is a good example of this.
     
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  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Sanchez.
    Louis.
     
  7. PRW94

    PRW94 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great thread topic and I agree with the ones mentioned. Maybe not full bore and maybe not the cold eyes but I think SRR had some of those qualities too.
     
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  8. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larry "I like to get em drunk before I mug em" Holmes.
     
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  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Dorrian, You have to remember the experience factor played a big part in Carlos Monzon's style, he had over 100 pro bouts in a career that began on Feb 8 1963 and ended in retirement on August 29 1977 with the World Middleweight Title and 14 title defenses, and an 82 bout unbeaten streak dating back to Oct 9 1964. When he lost to fellow countrymen Antonio Augilar, Felipe Cambiero and Alberto Massi in 1964, he learned his lessons by avenging all three defeats in rematches and never lost again, it's called cool confidence.
     
  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Great choices.
     
  11. Lankykong

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    Arguello Arguello
    Mike Mccallum
    Carlos Zarate
    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad. He could even be too patient at imes.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Julio, Sr. deserves a big mention here.
     
  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alexis Arguello was the first one that came to my mind. He was content to stay cool, take his methodical time, work the body and work the jab before picking things up around the middle rounds. Even if a fighter jumped out to a lead like Bubba Busceme, Ray Mancini, Ruben Castillo or Bobby Chacon, that last third of the fight was murder to negotiate.
     
  14. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm gonna go with the first Latino heavyweight champion of the world; John Ruiz. Why? He had a brick load of patience, lasting his whole entire career almost... People kept disrespecting him BUT he keeps winning (to quote Chris Byrd) . His style alone wretching to watch, compiled a whole bunch of grappling and holding. The fans crucified him for this. It HAS to take a toll on his self esteem- inevitably he sat down with the execs of HBO and asked them how he could be more fan friendly? In the Jones Jr fight he was facing personal problems (a divorce), the ref was against him, and so was Roy. This dude kept on coming back even after another middleweight beat him again for the crown (James toney) to last that long in a sport where he got no respect is at a level of zen Buddhism stoic!
     
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  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I saw the Alexis Arguello vs Ruben Castillo WBC Junior Lightweight Title bout live with my Dad on Jan 20 1980 with my Dad. Arguello bided his time before stopping Castillo by TKO 11.
     
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