Boxing: A Tale of HBO Nuthuggery (A MUST WATCH)

u are clearly one of those guys who doesn't like to admit when u are wrong or have been duped. i get it. no one likes to be fooled. no one likes to be wrong.

there is a clear majority of the population that likes to be lied to. u may be a part of that as well. it's like they say....'ignorance is bliss.'

 

Agreed. I had PAC 7-5 and had same score after 2nd viewing. He won 7 rounds clearly enough, but Bradley did enough work in at least 4 of the other 5 with Lamp and Led not giving any credit.

Video is solid but cleverly edited to not show PAC exchanges where he landed clean.

 

that's respectable...and i don't think u'll find anyone in this thread who will argue against that. i scored it a draw.

hbo's 11-1 card was horrendous. this video illustrated their nuthuggery....nothing more....nothing less.

bottom line...the fight was not a robbery. it could have gone either way.

 

Pac EXPOSED! Pac won't take that rematch because he know Tim will whoop him AGAIN!

On a serious note, Tim looked really good in that fight until the foot issues. I could see Pac getting the nod. I think Pac will be soundly beaten if they meet again.

The HBO team went too far. The "fix" was in even with the production team. They had ZERO punching highlights for Tim.

 

Jack is presented with a video as evidence. Refuses to acknowledge the footage.

Jack is asked for a video. Refuses to present one.

Jack is right because... Well, because... Jack is "right". :huh

Jack you are a piece of work.

 

Hard punches, or soft punches... scoring is scoring. Jabs are, by the way, the most important punch to a boxer from a classical perspective and Bradley was getting NO credit for them. Jabs, also unlike many other punches can control fights without even landing, particularly when you have a fighter that wants to rush in and engage but can't because a jab is being thrown to disrupt. Compubox is no way to score a fight, it's barely a guide. It's actually there for people who don't understand boxing to try and keep up and decide who's winning without the other facets of boxing involved. This video helped expose Compubox (albeit a small example), and HBO's dreadful commentary.

 

Most of his jabs didn't land and the ones that did.....let's be honest....didn't really make a difference any way. Tim got credit for the things he did well....which wasn't all that much but he did show heart and that he was very durable.

The fight wasn't close gents......real talk, Tim is getting marginal credit for his efforts which is fine, but some of you are OVER valuing the work he actually put in when he was awarded the "W" over PAC.

The commentary fit the nature of the fight.....it's hard to talk up a guy who just isn't really in the fight.

Take a look at any fight...ESPN, SHOWTIME or HBO.....If the fight is one sided the commentary is also fairly one sided.

If you watch the fight WITH sound.....you'll notice ALL of HBO were riding with Tim before the sound of the first bell. They were even riding with Tim in the first round but gave PAC credit for the harder punches that punctuated the round. I gave Tim round one although it could have easily have gone to PAC as his punches were the only ones that did any real damage.

 

The only video I need is the one of the full fight.

It would be much easier to make an exact clone of this video, except using Cotto/Floyd and make it seem like Cotto won the fight or did much better than he did. It'd be pretty easy to do, actually. Cotto came far closer to beating Mayweather than Bradley did to beating Pacquiao.

Would a 15 minute biased video prove Cotto beat Mayweather to you? Of course not, and nor should it. The full fight is the only source worth commenting on.

 

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I guess the guys at sky sports were very biased too, and that they had it a lopsided win for Manny.

The fact that HBO commentators suck is nothing new, bad commentators do not change that this was an easy win for Manny.

 

If u were announcing and were praising a prime bradley for getting schooled by a war torn game. show host who every single trainer and prize fighter thought lost should u have a job?
The guy wanted to quit, he got blasted and if wearing sneakers not boots they would have flown in the air.

 

Do u still not understand that the video had nothing to do with who landed more or who won? The video is about HBO calling punches landed from Pac that arent landing. And not calling punches from Bradley that are landing. The video also doesnt have to show what shots Pac landed because if Jim is calling missed shots as landing then we are most definitely sure he called the ones that were impossible to miss.

There is no bias in the video in regards to who won or did better work. Its about the commentating or lack thereof from HBO which isnt in sync with whats happening in the fight.

 

And thus perpetuating the idea that this was a fight that was dominated by Pacquiao. Yes, some rounds were, the clearest rounds were Pacquiao's, particularly the middle rounds... but anything not in the realm of 7 rounds to 5 either way, or 8-4 is abysmal. Max Kellerman said during the Lampley boxing show that commentators jobs are to tell a story of how the fight is going, but the job for this fight was extremely poor swaying many to believe this fight was a clear and clean, easy, Pacquiao victory.

 

Since when are commentators expected to be infallible? That video is full of shots which half land, and yes, Lampley does get them wrong sometimes. However, he doesn't have the privilege of watching a fight in black and white and in slow motion. He's in the arena, with a man talking into his ear, being told to watch both the fight and a monitor. He has to talk to his co-commentators. His view is obscured by the angle of the fights, their position in the ring, the referee, the ring posts, the ropes. He has lights flashing all around the arena including spotlights on the fighters. Have you never watched a fight and thought you saw a huge shot land, only for the fighter taking it to show no effect because it caught his shoulder?

So, yes, maybe he did get quite a lot of his commentary wrong. You could do the same analysis in any fight and pick up on the same criticisms. Maybe he wasn't 100% accurate but if he was 90% 'biased' in Pacquiao's favour, that's probably because 90% of the time, Pacquiao was kicking Bradley's arse all over the ring.

 

Right. Except the video clearly illustrated the bias of the commentating and the glaring lack of credit given to the opponent.

No I saw the fight and Cotto's face after. FMJ never left rounds open to debate like Pac did. It was a tough fight, but when FMJ connected? He connected. The post fight showed that the connects landed on Cotto, unlike Bradley. The HBO team had to lie to create Pac connects.

These are clips from the full fight compared and contrasted with the narrative presented by both the HBO team and you. The fight seems to tell a different story.