As for Mike, he is genetically gifted, thick legs and arms, big bones, thick neck. His arms look pretty muscular even now. He has better genetics than some mr. Olympia winners like Dickerson, Zane and some others. Check some bodybuilding stars now that still aren't too old - like Gaspari or Mustafa Muhammad - they look like average Joe from the street with 14-15'' arms. Not all top BB'ers have great genetics but all of them have great responce for PED's.
Would the relatively crude steroids of the 50's and 60's do any real difference without weight training?
The average height of American males during WW2 was 5'8. During the Civil War they were shorter still. Surely American males today must have an average height of about 5'11? Average heights have gone up significantly in the developed world in the last century or so, I'd say. In Sweden, young males today are physically weaker than they were in my time, but that's down to less exercise on average. Wouldn't be surprised if they have gotten taller in the last decades.
I said average height world wide. It has fluctuated over time but today is 1 inch more than it was 1000 years ago.
I'm just over 6ft and weigh at this moment in time 219lb, never lifted weights in my life and I'm in decent shape. I'm pretty bulky on top but most of my weight comes from my legs and arse.
You can add Paul Demayo and Andreas Muntzer to that list as well. I remember Paul Dillett, who was one of the most muscularly-developed men of his era, saying that there are limits which he would not go to, but to which others would.
Impressive. Good to see a guy in his late 40's still in good shape. :good I'm 42 and still weigh pretty much the same I did at 22. Body doesn't look quite the same anymore but I think I still look okay. Takes more work when you're older though.
First I want to say that there's a few parts of it: 1. The psychological - once a record is broken, it's broken more times. 2. The tailoring of athletes physical attributes to generate optimal results. Which is why we have someone like Michael Phelps who has a large torso which is good for swimming, and Mo Farah with a small torso which is good for long distance running. With that said, the efficiency of both are improved by PED's. I would say though, diet and training IS a big factor - people find breakthroughs which work for large numbers, this then becomes used by many and the benefits are showing in their performances. Even something like creatine is great for muscle gain. When we talk about PED's, we don't really immediately talk about the growing ability to cover all traces of PED usages. Boxing is a sport where PED's play a big part. Urine testing alone is very easy to test clean on even thought he athlete is a PED user. In soccer/football, Joey Barton (a footballer from todays era) says he was only ever tested via urine samples. Never blood. It would be great if we could find direct links/quotes of PED related usage regarding boxers in the past. We got one with Jake LaMotta's wife.