boxing coaches that have never boxed?

So you go back to your corner after a tough round, you have been dropped and you cut would you rather go back to somebody who knows what your going through or somebody who's read a book about what your going through? Also its the build up to fights, weight making, being moody, feeling under huge pressure, fear of losing and letting everybody down? How can you understand all that if you have never been in that posistion? As a fighter I also know when a fighter is hurt and I'd like to think I would know when to get my fighter out of there before somebody who has never boxed, I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying I'd never have somebody teaching me to box that's never boxed

 

So you go back to your corner after a tough round, you have been dropped and you cut would you rather go back to somebody who knows what your going through or somebody who's read a book about what your going through? Also its the build up to fights, weight making, being moody, feeling under huge pressure, fear of losing and letting everybody down? How can you understand all that if you have never been in that posistion? As a fighter I also know when a fighter is hurt and I'd like to think I would know when to get my fighter out of there before somebody who has never boxed, I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying I'd never have somebody teaching me to box that's never boxed

 

He Boxed to a good Level, Feds Finalist I think, worked with Him at the Lodge, Rated Him Highly.

 

Ray Arcel is obviously the best shout.

 

So you wouldn't want prime Arcel in your corner then Curtis?

 

I understand why you see it the way you do, and I agree in part, that you need someone who understands the sport, but that doesnt nessecarily mean they have to have been through it.
Did anyone ever understand a fighters mindset better than Cus D'Amato? Never boxed, but Im quite sure if there was a Cus around today, and he offered to be your trainer you wouldnt need asking twice.

Also the same with football, when youre having doubts, injuries, loss of form, loss of desire, a******g to a new position, formation whatever you need to be able to go to your coach and know that he understands, and will have ideas how to regain whats missing. Yes, if theyve been a player they will have lived through it, but look at Mourinho as an example of understanding everything about a team and his players, but he never played.

So I fully agree you need a corner that is fully tuned in to what YOU need, and what YOU feel, but there is more than one way to learn than to have been through it IMO.

 

i think most of the guys you mentioned will have at least boxed as amateurs.

 

Im 50/50 on this I can certainly see the POV that Curtis puts across. It does make you wonder if you can really grasp some of the nuances of the sport if you have never boxed. That said I dont buy the argument that you have to have been through it before. Mourinho or Ferguson never got near a European cup final doesnt mean they dont have the bottle to handle it at the highest level if and when they do get to that particular level.

In the same way that the best footballers dont make the best managers. I think in boxing it is possible that, if you know what you're looking for , you can read the game in the way others couldn't. Its not necessary that you have experience in the ring. The key is gaining experience as a trainer. Knowing the right thing to say when you have been cut or dropped is more important than knowing what they are going through.

 

There are of course exceptions to the rule but in most cases I would take somebody who has boxed over somebody who hasnt

 

Denny Mancini - he was a noted cutsman and second, rather than a trainer, but he held all the licences.

I have read conflicting reports about Arcel, I would need to check, but I think I have read that he has had a bunch of amateur bouts.


I know there are a couple of other significant names missing from that list I am trying to remember, will post later.

 

Curtis, I have spoke to countless boxers about this and many of them agree exactly with what you are saying, it is a fair enough perspective and totally understandable.

 

I was going to say Al Silvani (but he had 45 amateur fights). The other name that I thought of was Mannie Seamon, but he had 2 fights.

 

To teach the fundamentals of boxing you only need to be keen, able to read and understand how skills are intertwined. To teach someone to dig deep in a crisis you need something else- could I talk a runner through a crisis point? A gut check? Of course I could ... And I'm not a pro or amateur runner.

My point is as long as you get certain qualities out of a fighter you don't have to have boxed yourself. More worrying are people who have boxed and naively think that is enough to be a good teacher. That's not a dig at anyone just a fact.

Most of these guys - joe c and Nathan clev already had a firm grasp of the fundamentals ... In reality all the y needed with there level of opposition is subtle lessons in sparring a good fitness.

 

The amateur gym 1 across from mine who has a coach who gets the same flack for having never boxed. In all fairness though he is doing ok although he has ouched a few boxers.

 

27. Well if you've been training 10 years just get yourself in shape for 10 weeks and get in the ring with an 0 bout novice or something mate.

I think I read in Haymaker issue 1 that Booth went off the rails and got into drugs or something after he was told he could no longer box because of a certain injury. I know I read it somewhere.