Boxing Conspiracy Theories

zadfrak · Dec 30, 2023

Saintpat said: ↑

How the heck were they supposed to have embezzled $21M from a bank and framed Smith for it? And why would they … without that embezzled money, he has no promotion. So they would have had to have put it in his hands in the first place.

There’s a book co-written by the prosecutor that explains the scheme. Smith worked at Wells Fargo and had an inside guy after he left to promote full-time. They figured out a flaw in the internal accounting system where they could just create a paperwork check-kiting scheme that allowed them to cover bad (non-existent) money by creating a transfer from another account (that didn’t have the money) and then, before the monthly (or maybe it was weekly) audit, simply create another one that covered that … which wouldn’t show up til the following week/month by which time they had done it again. At one point the inside guy was sick and had to go into the branch when he had been out for several days to put in the transfer before it got caught.

Unless Don and Bob had inside access to create internal transactions in a major bank, there’s no way.

Now it’s entirely possible that they (especially Bob, he used to be a federal prosector, right?) would have tipped off the Justice Department and/or FBI that something fishy was going on here because this guy had unlimited funds from a source no one could ascertain (he’d say vaguely that he inherited a bunch of money) and a shady background (his real name was Ross Fields but he went by Harold Smith, changing his name after he got arrested or convicted for fraud/con man stuff under his real name) that had no trace of him before he kind of popped on the scene. There were questions in the press about ‘who is this guy and where did he get his money’ before the legal problems came so it’s not a stretch that Bob and/or Don planted those seeds — ‘hey, ask him this, ask him that, look into this’ and also did so with the feds.

A lot of people inside boxing thought he was laundering huge sums of money for drug dealers/cartel through his boxing operation as that’s the only place anyone could think of where there would be that big a stash to basically throw away overpaying fighters and such. But Smith/Fields got fights on TV and had sold a ‘Supercard’ to HBO — a lineup that included Cooney-Norton, Saad Muhammad-Mustafa Muhammad, Hearns-Benitez, Wilfredo Gomez, Aaron Pryor and more: https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/the-greatest-fight-card-that-never-happened.680878/

Unfortunately for us, the feds caught up with him like a month or two before that one came off.
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I'M' AWARE OF ALL THOSE DETAILS. BUT THE THREAD IS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THEORIES. WHICH TEND TO BE ODDBALL OPINIONS. AND SOME FOLKS THOUGHT ANYTHING WITH DKP WAS FISHY. AND ANOTHER CONTINGENT POINTED TO ARUM'S POWERFUL LEGAL BACKGROUND.

THE THING WITH ANY CONSPIRACY EVEN IF TRUE IS WHERE DOES IT START AND WHERE DOES IT END.? NOT MUCH ROOM FOR ANY KIND OF PARTIAL ACCURACY.

Saintpat · Dec 30, 2023

zadfrak said: ↑

I'M' AWARE OF ALL THOSE DETAILS. BUT THE THREAD IS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THEORIES. WHICH TEND TO BE ODDBALL OPINIONS. AND SOME FOLKS THOUGHT ANYTHING WITH DKP WAS FISHY. AND ANOTHER CONTINGENT POINTED TO ARUM'S POWERFUL LEGAL BACKGROUND.

THE THING WITH ANY CONSPIRACY EVEN IF TRUE IS WHERE DOES IT START AND WHERE DOES IT END.? NOT MUCH ROOM FOR ANY KIND OF PARTIAL ACCURACY.
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You heard echoes.

jabber74 · Dec 30, 2023

Fabiandios said: ↑

Monzón knocking out Joe Frazier in sparring.

Supposedly it was in 1975, when Monzón was preparing for Licata and Frazier for the last one with Ali.
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Yes, Antuofermo says that. It's on youtube. Actually, I think he says he knocked DOWN Joe Frazier.

Mastrangelo · Mar 30, 2024

I was watching Jorge Lacierva fight Heriberto Ruiz the other day.
During the broadcast, Max Kellerman told the story of Jorge's team being worried that They are in fact not fighting Heriberto - but his twin brother, Edel Ruiz, because They were not able to tell them apart.
Heriberto was the better fighter, but Edel was fighting 2 weight-classes above at the time so I guess the idea was that Heriberto would come to weigh-in and then his twin brother who didn't have to make weight would replace him at a fight with big size advantage.

Guerra · Mar 30, 2024

I think usada caught Floyd doing steroids but lance Armstronged him.

Romero · Mar 30, 2024

One peculiar thing is that Sonny Liston isn’t actually named Charles and that he used one of his brothers identities. I don’t find it entirely improbable.

Barrf · Mar 30, 2024

Oddone said: ↑

After Tyson went to prison and came back foul mouthed and insane, the alphabet organizations turned a blind eye to Holyfields headbutts and HGH PED abuse because he represented "The Good Christian" role model type and got decent press for them.
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That one is entirely believable.

Barrf · Mar 30, 2024

Seamus said: ↑

Not only that, but Mickey was able to convince prison official to allow a light sparring session with Old Monzon.

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Very believable. ****, the guards would probably be happy to arrange that one so they could watch.

ikrasevic · Mar 30, 2024

There are several conspiracy theories about Mohammad Ali:
- in the Liston 1 fight, Sonny smeared his gloves with something
- in the Liston 2 fight, Sonny faked a knockout
- in Zaire Foreman's "glass of water"
surely there are more conspiracy theories

Thread Stealer · Mar 30, 2024

Lankykong said: ↑

Leonard staying in shape and having "secret fights" on the low before fighting Hagler.
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JD Brown was a part of Leonard’s camp and talked about it

Brown: Mike Trainer decided that after not fighting since 1984, Ray needed to have a couple fights before Hagler. So we did simulated fights. We brought in guys from around the country that were in the top 20, and Ray had four fights. He was 4-0 with two knockouts. The other guys had headgear on with small gloves, and Ray had no headgear with bigger gloves because he wanted to get used to getting hit. They were 10-round fights, and the guys got paid good money. No outsiders came in, the gym was closed down completely, nobody knew what was going on.
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https://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

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