Boxing corruption - beat Witherspoon & Chisora to become # 1 contender

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  1. MGGGM Grand

    MGGGM Grand Member Full Member

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    No wonder AJ blew his ****

    A nobody ballooning themselves up to HW, fights two absolute jokers in Witherspoon and Chisora and suddenly he's in the # 1 mandatory position?

    What a **** take!
     
  2. Goran_

    Goran_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Chisoras a solid HW .. but it was basically a cherry pick gone wrong the Usyk AJ fight .. the cream always rises to the top anyway doesn't matter what route
     
  3. MGGGM Grand

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  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was named the #1 contender before he even fought those guys. Most orgs have a rule where a champion in a lower division can request a ranking in the next division above. Usyk did that when he was a cruiserweight.

    So the WBO complied and rated him #1.

    The orgs do that a lot in the lower divisions. They don't tend to do it when you move from cruiserweight to heavyweight, though.

    Holyfield had all the belts at cruiserweight at the time yet he still had to beat Quick Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Adilson Rodrigues and Alex Stewart before he became the mandatory.

    The only person who seemed to have a problem with it was Dillian Whyte, who was the WBO #1 contender and then got dropped down to #3.

    He wasn't thrilled.
     
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  5. ShortRound

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    "They don't tend to do it when you move from cruiserweight to heavyweight, though."

    Didn't Haye also benefit from this rule after becoming unified and lineal at cruiser? He beat gatekeeper Monte Barrett in his first heavyweight fight and within 12 months he was fighting for a belt against Valuev in his second.

    Of course, Usyk could have turned pro at heavyweight instead of cruiser in 2013 and he would have probably curtailed AJ's chances of ever getting a belt, or at least holding onto it for long.
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :facepalm::facepalm:

    That's the WBO's own rule. No one had the slightest problem with it when Terry Crawford invoked it twice, first after departing 135 and then after departing 140, and he got his shots five and ten months after doing so and not fighting a single 140 or 147 pounder whereas Usyk didn't get his for over 2 years and had two fights at the weight.

    Like I keep saying, the Usyk haters are a very strange bunch indeed. Usyk is the best. He's a legend. An ATG. Fury is your only hope. Relax. Take a deep breath. Everything is going to be alright. And Usyk is still going to be the best.
     
  7. Dubblechin

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    Haye wasn't Valuev's WBA mandatory. John Ruiz was rated above Haye when Haye challenged Valuev. The winner of Haye-Valuev had to fight the mandatory Ruiz. Haye won, so he fought Ruiz.
     
  8. Robney

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    Sure, it has nothing to do with a WBO champion moving up getting the mandatory or something simular... It's only because he beat Witherspoon and Chisora.
     
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  9. ShortRound

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    Haye being allowed to leapfrog Valuev's mandatory to fight for a belt in only his 2nd heavyweight fight sounded very unconventional but I just read that Ruiz stepped aside for Haye (which is not surprising as he thought he'd been robbed twice against Valuev already).

    Still, Haye's path to the belt was considerably faster than Usyk's: within 2 fights and 12 months at heavyweight Haye was a champion. Usyk by contrast had 3 heavyweight fights over 24 months before he became a champion.

    The reason why it's relatively rare for cruiserweights to activate the clause to become mandatory challenger when they move up to heavyweight is because very few finish their run at cruiserweight while unified or undisputed champion. In the last 34 years the only cruisers to be in that situation have been Haye and Usyk. Mormeck was unified but lost his belts to Haye, Gassiev was unified but lost his belts to Usyk.
     
  10. ShortRound

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    The guy doesn't like Fury any more than he likes Usyk.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You left out Holyfield.

    So, of the three unified cruiserweight champs who moved up, Usyk is the only one who was given the mandatory #1 rating at heavyweight before officially moving up and taking on a heavyweight opponent.

    Holyfield wasn't. Haye wasn't.

    Like I said earlier, they don't normally do that. But it's in their rules. They can.

    Orgs do it in the lighter divisions all the time.

    Not so much at heavyweight. ONCE actually, to the dismay of Dillian Whyte.
     
  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    The "nobody" who beat him twice. What a dumpster fire of a post.
     
  13. drenlou

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    Im so confused by the OP.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm talking about the Usyk haters in general. Fury is their only hope now of seeing him take an L, and likely vice versa. I know many of them aren't fans of Fury and that many hate him too