Boxing Enigmas?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Feb 20, 2008.


  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Young Griffo

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  2. Sweet Pea

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    Calzaghe is an in and out fighter, using his speed and angles to confuse the opponent, and his constant pressure to keep them off their game.

    Saddler works into the dirty side of things. I think Greb was a mixture of the two. It would take more than a pure pressure fighter to handle Walker or Tunney. And in fact, in the accounts of Greb's fight with Walker that you posted, it backed my analysis of Greb up pretty well with his in and out style, did it not?
     
  3. sthomas

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    Marciano:

    Career enigma: Started boxing very late in life, had a very short amatuer career, turned pro @ 23 1/2 years, had a pro career of about 8 1/2 year and retired when 32, as undefeated heavyweight champion with nothing left to proove. That's a meteor shot of a perfect career.

    Physical enigma: Short height, arms shorter, not very heavy, seems relatively unathletic, seems relatively slow, kind of looks dorky (sorry Rock)

    Style enigma: Controlled mayhem. Looks completely random when fighting but in fact it was well planned. Gyrated his torso like it was rubber, bobbing to where his head went below his knees, defended himself way better than given credit for because of this crazy gyrations, hit from all angles with power from both fists, and never seemed to get tired.

    Rocky's story is better than the guy in the movies
     
  4. Bokaj

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  5. teeto

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    :good :good :good Good post
     
  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, he sounds like someone who would circle when his instincts (which seem extraordinarily well honed) told him his man was building momentum. I certainly wouldn't dispute that Greb worked in and out. But why is that a particularly difficult style to fathom?

    Kessler spoke of Calzaghe's "bewildering" punching. But he wasn't talking about Joe's style - Kessler knew what Joe was going to do - he was talking about the speed with which Calzaghe punched, and from multiple angles too.

    In short - Joe's style was easy to fathom. He was going to box at distance, time his attack to perfection, attack with violence and then use footspeed to get out of harms way. Kessler understood this. He was just powerless to stop it.

    Same thing with Greb. Easy to understand, impossible to prevent, like I stated.

    The thing with Fitzsimmons (conversely) was that no-one knew what the hell he was going to do next or how he was going to do it. Fitzsimmons more than once was getting beaten up when he landed the KO blow. "Feint" wasn't a word he took lightly. So he is a fighter I would describe as a fighter who's style is hard to fathom, as opposed to Greb's, which is easy to understand, difficult to counter.
     
  7. teeto

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    Sorry to interrupt here , but just on the subject of guys who you know what they're gonnad do, but you can't do anything about it- Duran, you knew he was gonna absolutely anihilate you and brutalise you, but you could'nt do ****!!!! Haha

    Seriously though, still, imo as close to a perfect fighting style as has been, could finish a fight while making a guy miss, going forward, standing upright, dodging a full combo and landing allof his own - and they were the type of punches that finishd fights
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Imagine being in the ring with the guy from the Moore fight?

    F*ck that.
     
  9. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, Duran's one of the very last fighters I'd want to see sneering at me from across a ring.
     
  10. teeto

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    Haha , irreplaceable fighter ! One of a kind, have you seen his ko of Lou Bizarro? You probably have like, brutal!!

    Sorry, im not trying to turn this into a Duran apreciation thread!! Getting carried away here!
     
  11. teeto

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    :lol: :lol:
     
  12. McGrain

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    Teeto, where do you place Duran p4p?
     
  13. Sweet Pea

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    In that case, you knew Fitz was gonna land the big bomb, you just didn't know how to stop it. Very predictable.:D
     
  14. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McGrain and Pea, do you think Greb might have resembled Marcel Cerdan somewhat?
     
  15. teeto

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    Number 3 p4p all-time , i know its high, but ive had him here for a long time now. My reasonings are largely due to the fighting style i explained in my earlier post, i think p4p should be more to do with that kinda stuff rather than achievements, but i do give credit to that kinda thing aswell , and he;s high there also , as i have him number 1 LW ATG, like a lot of people, and i think achievement carries more weight there.

    I know you like the guys from earlier in the century/more obscure fighters more (not saying that's wrong or anything) , but do you have him high p4p yourself?