Boxing Enigmas?

Not really. Cerdan seemed to be a great example of just a brute force in the ring. Great puncher, overwhelming aggression, etc.

According to accounts, Greb seemed to be one who relied more on dirty tactics, in and out speed, and quantity over quality in his punches. He was looking to outland you and take you off your game with his speed and tactics, similar to how Calzaghe does really. I'd say that's probably the best comparison, though perhaps less of a boxer off the jab than Joe, and more inclined to use angles to find his way in and out. Also obviously dirtier.

Cerdan was just looking to pulverize you from what I've seen. Greb wasn't the puncher that Cerdan was, relied more on overwhelming with his windemill approach, therefore I can't see him implying the same style and sitting down on his punches like Cerdan did.

 

This is why I can never be sure about a fighter like Greb. Based on accounts, any fighter can sound brilliant, but when you compare the accounts of Fitz to the actual footage, it really is laughable. I know, he's past his prime, but the same applies for most fighters of his era.

On the other hand, the guys Greb beat were clearly superior on film, guys like Loughran, Tunney, Walker, etc.

 

I understand your point , but come on, harsh language! Laughable? Some more respect please!!

 

I know you're gonna probably criticise me here , but over time ive come to just accept that Ali (and i dont like him) was an amazing fighter, we can detract from him, but we can from any1. And i have Robinson at number1, Ali 2 and Duran 3. Like i said, imo, p4p is more to do with style and how good a guy was rather than achievement, and i see Ali as one of the very best h2h p4p ever.

Just my opinion though

 

I agree on your comparison of Cerdan-Greb, i believe Greb to be similar to Calzage , and Cerdan, as we can see from footage, was just looking to destroy guys all the time

 

Thanks for the assessments guys. Yeah Cerdan was a brute, but he was also pretty quick on his feet (football player)...He worked angles well against Zale. But yeah, he did sit down on his punches...problably more than Greb did...by the reports. I think a much rougher version of Calzaghe is a fair analogy. Whenever I see that clip of Greb 'sparring' with O'Brien and shadowboxing...I see someone who would be very problematic to react to and read in the ring. How do you guys feel about the clip?

 

Havent done this for a while! Its so tight throughout the middle of the list, but seen as though you put me on the spot -

1. Robinson
2. Ali
3. Duran
4. Greb
5. Pep
6. Langford
7. Jofre (could be higher?)
8. Charles
9. Mayweather (sorry, great fighter imo)
10. Whitaker - dont like him but what he did did the job almost everytime.

I really wanted to put Gans and Calzage in there amongst others , i may do another time!!

Just a rushed copy though really, outside the top3, but there's so many that could get in, Leonard(both), Hagler, Wilde etc. Really hard to narrow down.

Any chance of seeing yours

 

Im thinking- he just wants to destroy him but knows its wrong to do that to someone in sparring!!!!