Boxing Enigmas?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Feb 20, 2008.


  1. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Good list, for some reason i keep leaving out Walker, i need to give him more credit in terms of p4p, Moore is high in my opinion, but i know you really rate him. I think we have a common favourite in Charles aswell? ATG of the highest order.

    I do give credit here outside of how good they looked in the ring, but that is the main basis for guys like Jofre (mostly from reports).

    These lists are so hard though, i prefer doing them by weight division (obviously because its less of a headache ordering them!!).

    Who do you think would be the greatest of all the 'uncrowned champions', as they are referred to? My favorite is also Burley, but i'd have him at number 3 behind Bivins and Langford, who is number 1 imo.
    The reason i have Burley as my favourite of that pack is because he was a natural ww, although i rate him high at mw, as his best work was done there, remarkable in such a tough(in many senses) era
     
  2. McGrain

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    Uncrowned champs -

    1 - Sam Langford
    2 - Charley Burley
    3 - Peter Jackson
    4 - Packy Mcfarland
    5 - Harry Wills

    Yeah, he fought some very very very tough guys, although the toughest dodged him constantly.
     
  3. teeto

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    Yeah , i know , for obvious reasons, Robinson is one of my all-time favourites, but when I read Burley's book i was dissapointed, i know everyone has to 'duck' (if it must be called that) some guys, but Burley campaigning to fight Robinson for free and not getting the fight raised my eyebrow a bit!
     
  4. Sweet Pea

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    Really? I see no real modern boxing skill from either Fitz or his opposition(Lang and Corbett) in either clips of him that I've seen. And the footage of Fitz/Corbett is 12 years prior to the footage of Fitz/Lang, even if it is lesser in quality.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Yeah. I was shocked to learn that Robinson was offered a career best pay day and still managed to say "no thanks".
     
  6. teeto

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    Robinson was obviously a master of his trade, and knew his profession inside out, do you really think he dodged him because he thought he'd get beat? (serious question)

    Mad that this conversation is about Sugar Ray Robinson!
     
  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Erm, Robinson did a lot of less than "perfect" things.

    Mob ties and wife beating for starters.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Part of it was that Burley was so easy to avoid.

    But as far as if they had fought? The first time it was mooted, I feel Burley would have been a favourite. Over a three fight series, who knows? They are my 1 and 2 head to head at the weight - although i'm beginning to wonder if Walker shouldn't have one of those spots.
     
  9. McGrain

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    He's fighting a different fight.

    Put Hopkins in with Fitzsimmons instead of Corbett and i'd expect Fitz to take his head off, personally.
     
  10. teeto

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    Im not really that bothered about outside of the ring stuff, not to be ignorant, but in boxing terms, near perfection

    EDIT: i mean i am bothered about that kinda thing, its pure wrongness, but at the time i wasnt considering outside the ring activity, just boxing
     
  11. teeto

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    McGrain , what i meant was , do you actually think Robinson thought he would get beat by Burley , come on , answer please! I dunno what i think on it
     
  12. McGrain

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    I think that Robinson thought, at the very least, that that was the hardest fight out there for him at 147.
     
  13. teeto

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    I agree, lets just leave it at that, its clear that to go any further would be to disrespect one of the greatest fighters ever
     
  14. Ted Spoon

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    The two fantastic Lightweights, Benny Leonard and Pernell Whitaker.
     
  15. brooklyn1550

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    In the current scene, Joe Calzaghe and Manny Pacquiao are difficult to figure out because of their quick in-and-out movement. It's hard to time their rhythms.