boxing fans root for 2 pound forbes

Well said, Sebastien. I never understood why the hatred for Oscar runs so deep on this board. I can understand him not being someone favorite fighter, but he's got a heck of a resume. And past his prime he fought the top pound for pound guy to a split decision. It seems like he would get a little more respect for that.

 

I have no problem with oscar. I think he has done wonders for the sport. I agree that he has fought great opposition and has never ducked anyone. I just do not want to see his rematch vs mayweather. If forbes beats him they will not have that rematch. I think most of the boxing fans agree with me on that.

 

uhh ok look that highlight reel is biased as hell and the fight was really not that close. Anyone in the media with real credibility knows that fight was not close and a rematch will only result in a greater ass whooping. On the flip side I do agree with your first few statements. If people don't want to see the fight then don't buy it.

 

More meaningful in who's eyes? I will bet you anything that Oscar vs Mayweather II draws more fans, money, viewers, and PPV buys than Mayweather vs Cotto. So I guess it just depends on what you consider to be more meaningful. Maybe a win over Cotto will be better for his resume/legacy to hardcore fans since Oscar is already on it... but that may also NOT be true. We know how it is when a young undefeated fighter gets beat. Immediately everyone talks about how they were just "exposed" and not that good to begin with in the first place. Also, for all we know Cotto may go on a downward spiral after that and never recover, and Floyd would end up getting about zero credit down the road for the win. So, if I was Floyd I would take the huge Mega fight with Oscar where he is assured to make crazy amounts of money again, and will get even more credit from the general public. Besides that... what makes you think that if Oscar vs Mayweather II doesn't happen, that Floyd is going to go fight Cotto?

 

This would be even better than the Giants beating the Patriots. :good

 

Uggghhhh.....Widdow you kill me sometimes with this blasphamy!!! How could you seriously consider this rematch to be of more signifigance than a bout with Cotto?? This is utter bull****, how could you be blinded by your prefrence over what should be done. I've mentioned it before and I will say it again DLH is slowly becoming a plauge. Fighters are lured in by his star power without him even having legitimate status as a welter weight. This situation is getting way out of hand its a freaking tragedy that we have to endure what only you and few others considered a close and entertaining bout between these two. One man is looking for lost glory while the other searches for greener and greener pastures. Your basically putting aside the essence of this sport and turning it into the stock exchange. Star power? money? ppv? blah, blah, blah....their is no justification for this bout PBF holds a freaking belt in a division in which he hasnt fought a champ or top contender in eons yet you support a DLH rematch? How could you consider yourself a fan of this sport and agree to reinforce whats slowy turning boxing into the WWE/WWF cheesy reality show crap. Say it ant so man please, I'm losing hope in humanity.

 

I thought that I made my point pretty clear. I would love to see Mayweather vs Cotto as well. However, what I said is the reality of the situation.

 

Meaningful and popular are two different things.

It is far more meaningful to beat an unbeaten fighter who is highly rated not only P4P but in your division.

Mayweather fighting Gatti drew more than Mayweather vs Hernandez. It wasn't a more meaningful fight legacy wise.

 

I already conceded that. However, that can be looked at many ways. Oscar De La Hoya is not Gatti or Hernandez or even Cotto for that matter. I think that people are going to be amazed at how much name power that is going to have about 10-15 years from now.... when people actually take a look back on his amazing career. Cotto is a top notch fighter right now, but we have no idea how his career is going to pan out from there on. Cotto although top notch... has already shown some serious signs of vulnerability in his young career. If Mayweather was to beat him, people would be SURE to take the "Cotto was exposed" route, and downplay how good Cotto actually is. Oscar is an estabished great fighter.

Also... you guys act like these people aren't in this for the money or something. Especially when we are already talking about two top of the heap fighters in Oscar or Cotto. People are in this sport to make money. Not a damn one of them would be fighting for free. People need to stop acting like money shouldn't have anything to do with matters. Floyd has a chance to yet again set make a career high payday. He has earned it, and why shouldn't he take it? Because there is other tough contenders out there? There is always going to be another top guy to fight. Also, if Cotto is worth his salt he will still be there waiting AND GETTING BETTER for a fight after Oscar vs Mayweather II.

 

Right now, the more meaningful fight is Cotto. I don't care about the money or any of that and whether Mayweather or DLH does isn't relevant to what is the more "meaningful" fight.

There is no other way to look at it. Talking about perceptions that haven't even occured yet isn't going to change what is going on now. Cotto is the top WW besides Mayweather and a P4P fighter and prime. DLH is someone Mayweather has already beaten and is past his prime. Each fight is case by case, and in this case, we KNOW that Cotto is the man everyone wants him to fight. It's not even close in the boxing worlds eyes. So fighting Cotto would garner Mayweather many more accolades than rematching a what? 37yr old fighter?

 

Well said. :thumbsup

 

You don't care about the money... because you aren't making the money. Once again... I am not arguing that at this point a fight against Cotto isn't better for his legacy. However, this more about what is meaningful to Oscar and Floyd, rather than what is meaningful to you. Especially when more of the general public would watch Oscar vs Floyd, and wouldn't buy Cotto vs Mayweather. So... once again it depends on who's definition of meaningful that you use.

 

I thought Fraud only fought for legacy? Thats why he fought Baldy. :roll:

 

Dear Odin - I thought I was the only one that saw Oscar win.

 

This wasn't the context I was arguing. I don't care a thing about what is more meaningful to the boxers. The fight with Cotto is more meaningful to the fans and the credibility of the sport. Spinning it about "who's definition of meaningful" it is has little to do with it. I am talking about the very outcome of a fight between the two and the reprucussions of it. DLH and Mayweather may make a ton of money because the general sports fan knows who DLH is. He makes money because he is popular. The very fact that he made more money in a PPV past his prime means it has little to do with the effect the fight has on the sport or it's meaningfulness. Mayweather vs Cotto is much more meaningful, and gasp, hasn't been done already. DLH is only going to be older and slower.

Lastly, why argue that point of view in the first place? Even if it was about what the fighters cared about, how are you going to use it as a plausible argument to stop fans from bashing the fight? Your very argument is based on them NOT CARING about the fans, but about themselves and bank accounts.