Boxing fans who self contradict

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by thewoo, Aug 29, 2007.


  1. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Judah isnt a great win for Cotto. He was seen as a stay busy fight while Cotto waited for Margarito. The fight wasnt even suppose to happen if it wasnt for Margarito bitching out. And he was a great win for Tzyue because Judah was the favorite, undefeated and ready to break out into the mainstream. And Tzyue blew him out in 2 rounds.
     
  2. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed. I have no problem with someone saying that he is not a natural heavyweight. What I do have a problem with is someone saying that he is a natural middleweight or a "blown up" middleweight


    DLH apeared to have more beacuse he was just coming off a win over an easy opponent. When he fought Chavez, chavez was rated #1 or 2 p4p (same with sweet pea). Oscar was inactive, had also had problem with inujuries and had also been in his share of ring wars not to mention above his prime weight. he is not even in anyones top 10 p4p right now.
     
  3. MacManJr.

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    Zab was about to be finished until he hit Floyd in the nuts and back of the head. You really don't think KT could beat Floyd do you?
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On the DLH-PBF size issue. Many have stated that they started at the same weight. They didn't. PBF started at 130, DLH at 135. He dropped down for 2 fights to win the WBO 130lb title and defend it once. He then went back up to 135 to win the title there. PBF fought 20+ fights at 130, DLH 2.
     
  5. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think any reasonable person would agree that DLh is the larger man. What I am talking about though has nothing to do with size. DLH was 34 years old, above his best weight, arguable 3lost 3 of his last 4 fights, fighting once a year at best when he fought Floyd. THis is a fighter nowhere near his prime and yet a lot of the same people that give Floyd props for the win bash oscar's wins over Chavez and Whitikar saying they were past it.

    Really with Oscar there is a lor of self contradictions. His haters say that he is nothing but a hype job but then give all types of credit to the guys that beat him.
     
  6. MacManJr.

    MacManJr. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Excellent point! I will admit that I knew Oscar didnt have a chance of beating Floyd and I don't think Floyd beating him was a big deal. Although I also don't think Oscar is as washed up as some make him out to be. Bottom line is Oscar is a cash cow and I can't knock anybody for fighting him at any time. He can KO me right now for 20 million! Oh and Floyd also called him out for years but everybody thought it was crazy. Oscar just didnt accept until he was so called over the hill.
     
  7. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Oscar timed that one just right. Had he fought him when Floyd started calling him out the fight would not have made as much money (and lets be real. that's what it was really about). Floyd's wins over Gatti, Judah and Baldomir gave him the name recognition to make the card way bigger.
     
  8. MacManJr.

    MacManJr. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree 100% plus the loss would look worse if Oscar was closer to his prime. I still think Oscar beats a lot of top fighters today though especially at 154.
     
  9. Thread Stealer

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    Chavez wasn't ranked high on the p4p rankings when DLH beat him. KO magazine right before the fight didn't have Chavez on their dynamite dozen (top 12 p4p). Ring magazine on their year-end poll, at the end of 1995, had Chavez #8.

    Most people knew he wasn't even the best 140 lb fighter at the time. Randall was. Chavez got a gift in the rematch and ducked Randall for a decade.
     
  10. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought he was ranked higher but lets assume I am wrong. it's still a win over a top 8 p4p over ring magazine. Oscar was not ranked top 10 p4p when Floyd beat him and all the other stuff I said about Oscar being past his prime remains true.

    If you want to say that Oscar's win over Chavez was nothing that's fine but you would also have to discredit Floyd's win over Oscar. The fact that oscar has more star power and was coming off an easy win over a hand picked opponent doesn't change how far past his best he is.
     
  11. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    There isn't any contradiction if you look at it this way: Toney should be a natural middleweight or at most lightheavyweight, but his training habits are so bad that he ends up drained when he trains down to those weights. If he trained responsibly, it wouldn't be a problem and he'd fit into his natural weight perfectly.
     
  14. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    i think no one has understood my statement.

    oscar as good as he is would never been the fighter he was if he didnt have the fame. of being a olympian and came at a time when boxing didnt have a idol he fitted the bill perfectly...to the teeeee.

    im not against his skills im against his motions outside the ring.

    he didnt go up the rankings becuase he was above the rankings he was a celeb. every person knows his name and that he boxes and has a single out at hmv. he was above boxing which is what i hate.he didnt need rankings or have to fight anybody to go up the rankings he could fight for a title becuase he was oscar.and beacuase he never fought the mandatory or a challenger only the champion who was picketed into the firing line.people caed about oscar not the champion. sturm won against oscar as ood an effort oscar did he wasnt as slick or had the size advantage he had over other comp.chavez was tiny old and was 3 years away from a competative fight had not been on top form ages before hand

    dont think i dont like oscar. he has alot of talent and skill i mean his amatuer record is impressive his left hook is explosive and his jab is 1 of the best.

    but he never dominated a division.even lower level champions cleared it out but it just seemed to just pick his opponants 1 by 1 not fighting men who had clambered to the top.
     
  15. Vantage_West

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