Boxing has a real problem on its hands...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Boxing Tees, Dec 18, 2011.


  1. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :yikes
     
  2. rowedav

    rowedav He Glassed Me Full Member

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    I was thinking about this the other day actually, specifically about the number of judges. I was thinking of increasing to 4. Do the judges all sit together?
     
  3. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    now Ward fans are crying because of the judging even if he won but when the bull**** judging card from Ward-Bika were ok!
     
  4. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Different sides of the ring
     
  5. rowedav

    rowedav He Glassed Me Full Member

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    Thanks, for some reason I thought they sat together.
     
  6. Boxing Tees

    Boxing Tees Active Member Full Member

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    Dude, no one is crying. Easy. Ward dominated the fight and got the win. Im just using that as an example. The Williams-Lara fight is another great example. That one was even worse. To me, it just seems like the judging is getting worse and I'm trying to think of ways to make it better.
     
  7. Boxing Tees

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    I have to tell you, I think television monitoring is part of the solution. As I said in my original post, I sat right next to the judge in the Ward-Miranda fight and I was shocked by how hard it was to actually see what was happening in the ring. You just cant see very well. You're too close and if the action is occuring on the other side of the ring you don't have a chance. Especially considering how involved most refs get, thus blocking your view.
     
  8. Boxing Tees

    Boxing Tees Active Member Full Member

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    When I suggested having ex-fighters judge the fights, you would obviously have to be very selective here. And my thought on the five judges is more judges, more of a consensus. Hell, the way things I been going lately, I'd rather have 100 people from this forum judge a fight than the judges we have right now. At least you get a wider sample size.
     
  9. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I just found this funny that you guys bring this because uselly the card a aways too high but for Ward , since there's no robbery i don't really mind , in fact i wouldn't been surprise they put close cards like this to shut peoples mouth and to say , look it was fair for the non-home boxer
     
  10. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Debatable scorecards have always occurred in boxing, and always will. And as long as it does not result in a dodgy decision in a high profile fight, it is quickly forgotten. As this "controversy" will be.

    There are four factors that are often overlooked in these debates. First, scoring is inherently subjective. Second, sometimes the difference separating the winner and loser in a round is not great, or as wide as some think. Third, watching a fight on a television or computer screen is often very different from what one might see at ringside. Finally, often the arguments over decisions rest only on whether a particular judge scored a round or two differently from what some observer thinks it "should" be.

    There are probably other factors as well that one could identify. The bottom line is that it is not as cut and dried as people would like to make it out to be. For what it's worth, I had it 117-111. From that vantage point anything from 118-110 to 116-112 seems reasonable, but I cannot work myself up over people that go a round further either way, as long as the right guy won.
     
  11. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    we could have a brain damaged Direll , a blind Kessler and Ali whou couldn't fill the scopre cards ;)

    Bad joke i admit , Kessler and Ali have all my respect
     
  12. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    #6... IMO, that right there alone could make a huge difference. Imagine if after fights judges would have to answer for their scores publicly it would cut down the horse **** a whole lot. It would also bring Out incompetence with a quickness.
     
  13. Bee KeepZ

    Bee KeepZ Roid City Full Member

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    Cross scoring between the 3 judges would be good. Instead of the current format.

    If a fighter wins the round from 2/3 judges, then he wins the round, and so on. It's less likely that a single corrupt judge can affect the outcome of the fight.
     
  14. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    These ideas have been discussed before and I don't understand why some changes aren't instituted, in some fashion, or at least considered.

    I've always been for adding more judges. I'd even be willing to go as high as 7 judges. The thinking being the more opinions on a fight you have, the more likely you are to get an accurate majority opinion. And the less likely you are to get a wacky scorecard that throws everything askew.

    I also like the ideas of a judging school and making the judges accountable. Maybe they could make them available for post fight interviews as well.

    I would not under any circumstances make the ref a scoring judge. Let him focus on his duties.
     
  15. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    not bad! and maybe doing this with 5 judges well at least for champinship bouts