Boxing historians/aficionados give their take on Pretty Boy Floyd vs Lomachenko

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    The only cheater we know was Emmanuel PEDS.

    Fact is: It was already CONFIRMED that he was severely dehydrated, you can't spin facts, sir!

    The medic was at Mayweather's household far before the test, nice try!

    Show me a positive test!!!
     
  2. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    I will go and research the Pacman big head conspiracy instead, lol
     
  3. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hahaha I don’t know why but this made me lol
     
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  4. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Give me a f*ckin break man!
    IV’s don’t lie (although to be honest, I don’t think it would’ve made a huge difference against Pac...)
     
  5. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    It was Mayweathers obvious size advantage that made the difference, and the fact that despite the reach handicap and height handicap, manny would have have a greater shot of beating Mayweather in his prime, even possibly favoring Manny for the victory.
     
  6. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh no doubt.
    A prime ODLH and prime Mosley would’ve easily defeated Mayweather in my opinion. Just saying that, at the stage the MayPac took place, Pacquiao just didn’t have it in him anymore and, IV or no IV, I feel Pacquiao would’ve still lost. Maybe it would’ve been a bit more competitive that would’ve even warranted a rematch, but still, like you said, Mayweather size advantage would’ve been too much.
     
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  7. MVC!

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    Yeah, IV's don't lie, it was a professionally applied IV by a medic from a nearby hospital. All done with proper procedure, it was documented, everything was proper.

    There were investigations already done and he was found not guilty. Nothing you say will change that fact.

    Perhaps you conspiracy theorists can focus on things that actually matter.... like the legitimacy of the moon landing!

    You probably think it was fake too, right?!
     
  8. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Re-watch the first Castillo fight. The rugged Mexican hit Floyd with 4-5 very solid punches in the closing seconds of Rd 7. Whether the punches fit the strict definition of a "combination" is of course, debatable, but the more salient point is that Floyd caught a good bit of leather in those final seconds by a far less technically gifted and athletic opponent than Jorge Linares.

    Now, be advised, this is not intended to denigrate Mayweather. He was indeed a superb defensive fighter and quite likely the very best of his generation. Rather I am just trying to add a little perspective here.
     
  9. WalcottsBentFace

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    :deal:
     
  10. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    That JLC beats both Loma and Linares. Second people who can be honest are coming around to that fight.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.re...50y9j0/mayweather_v_castillo_1_complete_myth/

    Castillo won 4 rounds at best during that fight. People over exaggerate greatly what Castillo did just like you with your round 7 reference.

    Here’s round 7:
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    I saw maybe 3 land as you said with one of those being a low blow. It’s questionable if the left hook even landed fully. The rest like the uppercut obviously missed. This is really the best you got? We legitimately saw Loma in the 9th get peppered body head with clean scoring punches that led him frozen.

    Come with something better because you failed miserably. Once again, Floyd has never lost, got hit or put down like Lomachenko end of. Also Floyd’s plus/minus is higher over a span of 50 fights than Loma’s measly 12. This also includes against 26 champions spanning 5 weight classes. They’re not comparable and never will be.
     
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  11. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Any Boxing 'Historian' or 'Aficionado' would never compare a retired fighter's career with that of a active fighter.

    All we know is that Loma has took an L, but also has a resume leagues ahead of Floyd's at the same stage of their careers.
     
  12. Farmboxer

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    Lomachenko has far better talent than Void ever had................Void lost to Castillo and he lost to Oscar for sure. Lomachenko has not fought a fighter who had a record of zero like Conor!
     
  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Floyd never lost and his record shows. As the saying goes nothing is perfect except for Floyd’s boxing record. 50-0 baby. Lomachenko is a good fighter but let’s see how he does with Tank and or Mikey Garcia. We cannot forget he has Salido problems. I give him credit for getting up of the floor to defeat Linares but then again Linares was touching him up quite a bit. Like Errol Spence I believe Tank will smoke him.
     
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  14. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And what, exactly, did I exaggerate?? In the closing 15 seconds of that round, Castillo lands 4-5 clean scoring blows--you know, exactly what I said happened-- including two digging body shots and one excellent shot upstairs. Perhaps you should get your eyes checked. Or, better yet, take off your Mayweather blinders.

    You may also wish to consider how much of that fight Mayweather spent backing up, as opposed to the approach that Lomachenko adopted against Linares. I shouldn't have to tell you--but something tells me I probably do--that it's a hell of lot easier to avoid catching leather when you're on your bicycle than hanging in the line of fire all night.

    If you possessed an iota of reading comprehension (which, judging by your "circle the wagons," highly emotional response, I sincerely doubt) I clearly stated that Floyd was a superb defensive fighter and likely the best of his generation. Moreover I offered no comparative analysis of the two men (Loma and Floyd), other than to provide a very valid historical reference in one particular fight.

    Posting an article of a guy who believes Floyd beat Castillo in the first fight? That's the best you've got?? Well here's another article that believes he didn't:

    https://www.badlefthook.com/2009/9/18/1034564/classic-round-by-round-jose-luis

    Not a very edifying way to get a point across, yes??

    Try coming across next time as less of a Mayweather groupie.
     
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  15. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I didn’t post an article and you want to talk about someone’s reading comprehension lmao

    It’s okay. It was late when you made that stupid post.