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Ali lost to legitimate heavyweights who were in the midst of their physical primes. If Bob Foster had stopped Ali in 5 rounds, then yeah, you could use the same type of argument.

 

It does compare. :good

 

Now you're just using absurd logic and reasoning just to prove a point. Leonard signed the fight with the belief that he would have an easy time with the former junior lightweight title holder.

I'm trying to think of other circumstances similar to this one, but I just can't. Leonard is in a league of his own in terms of getting beat down.

 

You realise Camacho had been above 150lbs for 25 fights at the time of the Leonard fight? :roll:

 

Look at all these people trying to defend the gay leopard. Sad.

 

:roll:

 

Wow. Nice to see that you can carry on an argument in a mature fashion. Idiot.

 

Ali showed a good enough set of legs on him to box and move effectively against Spinks over 15 rounds. And your not going to embarasss yourself by telling me has was youthful and agile, thus still in his prime?. Whitaker against De La Hoya another example. Whitaker was at least 5 years past his best, yet showed superb agility and boxing ability.

So your "tell tale sign" doesn't equate to a fighter being "in his prime"

Laughable. You can't quite grasp my opinion, thus coming to the "nutgugger" conlusion. When it comes to Leonard, I have different views on him myself. Some bad, some good. And just for the record, he wouldn't make my top 10 personal favs, making your nuthugger jibes even more foolish.

Leonard running, well boxing from this side, all night against them is simply sour grapes on your behalf. And when you used the word running, Leonard did anything but when he shared a ring with Duran the first time. However, what happened when he rematched Duran?. You ran into that one face first. Running in your eyes, is tactically astute fine boxing in mines.

Willie Pep?. I smell double standards around here. And don't come back telling me how great Pep was compared to Leonard. That wouldn't be what I'd be looking for, as we are talking styles and how both went about their business.

A very close fight, and a solid arguement can be made either way. Using the word "criminal" goes beyond a solid argument, whoever you want to make your case for on who won. Criminal decisions are when one fighter dominates, yes dominates, the other and wins the vast majority of rounds, yet comes out the loser.

I wouldn't use the "criminal" word too freely and regularly on decisions. I draw know where to draw the line, you don't.

How many fights did Leonard have before he squared off against Hagler?. One. The momentum was with Hagler, he was winning and keeping active. No substitute for keeping active. I will concede however that he was slowing down more. But he was up against a fighter who 3 years earlier looked awful and was dropped on his ass by a journeyman.

Leonard was the unknown quantity going into the fight, not Hagler.

 

Camacho was a shell of his former self by 1997. What basis do you have by declaring him a good fighter?

 

Duran was a young boy when he initially turned pro. He had yet to fill out completely. I would say that Duran's natural fighting weight would be at 147.

 

So you have two fighters who were shells of their former self. One had a clear physical advantage and assumedly also had the better technical skills. The other had the faster reflexes and hand speed.

Who would've knew it would've a one-sided beatdown like it was?

 

Keep telling yourself that champ.

 

Yeah, no **** he was better at 135, but he had to drain himself to make weight. His natural fighting weight most likely was around 147.

And my point is that while fighters can have success at a higher weight from moving up, that isn't the case with a fighter like Camacho, who was obviously fighting journeymen week in and week out at 160.

 

Why are you rolling your eyes, philistine?

 

I know when your fooling around and not being serious Mr Manassa. Your previous post had me rolling around lauhging on my bedroom floor.

Good entertainment.