Boxing Is A Business Keeping The Casual Fan Entertained Is Very Important.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    The people on this forum have a very insular view of boxing, we are fanatics, what we want is the best always fighting the best, and little known underrated talents getting pushed, and the overrated hypejobs getting exposed. But.... a lot of what we want may not be entertaining to general audiences, so it doesn't happen and the promoters don't care, because we are not their key demographic, the casual fans seeking entertainment are.

    I see a lot of fans say "who cares what the casuals want", well without the casuals pouring money in, the sport wouldn't survive, the casual fans who know nothing are ironically the reason for the sport remaining successful. Most casual fans don't know anything about the sport except the few fighters that break through and become marquee names. Which means they're famous, and people will pay money for "important fights" based on name value and their level of stardom.

    Without the cash generated by PPV buys and ratings brought in by HBO and Showtime viewers, the sport would atrophy and fade away, becoming irrelevant. HBO and Showtime are pay services, if they take money from their budget that they receive from subscribers and put on a subpar telecast that no one watches, they will go out of business, their main investors are the subscribers, without us they cease to exist. If we are not adequately entertained we drop the subscription and the money goes away, therefore they can't create content anymore. Which means they must take into consideration what the general audiences want, which is to be "entertained", because the more viewers and PPV buys, the more money they make, and the more live boxing broadcasts they can produce. So the very livelihood of our favorite sport is predicated on the rise and fall of the viewership of the casual fan, who's sole reason for watching is to be entertained. Which is also why the latest trend of Haymon mismatches will only last for so long, even the casuals will start to catch on.

    Unfortunately the casual fan knows very little, they know Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Canelo, maybe Hopkins and that's about it. They don't even know who Guerrero, Bradley, Rios, Maidana, Lara, Angulo, Martinez, Ortiz and now Algieri are, the promoters are very aware of this, they know hardcore fans will buy the PPVs in kneejerk fashion regardless, but they need a interesting story, new face, and rivalry that they can sell to everyone else and it doesn't matter who the opponent is, they are sold by the main attraction i.e. Manny or Floyd, our money isn't enough to keep the PPV business afloat, casuals are needed. Canelo doesn't have the fame of the other guys, or at least enough to carry his own PPV so Canelo-Lara which appealed primarily to the hardcore fans was a bust, casuals weren't interested.

    Without the WWE like backstory the casual fan has little to no interest whatsoever, and won't buy. Why because they need an emotional investment in the fight, they need to care for the competitors, they want the soap opera element to make their blood flow and peak their interest, because they want a good guy/bad guy narrative, they know nothing about skills, styles, how to judge, refereeing, all of that doesn't mean **** to them, they just need the hook to snag and pull them in with, that entertainment value that makes them care, nothing more.

    What is entertaining?..... personality.. back stories.. English speaker.. ability on the mic... good looks... knockouts...a fan friendly style,....if a fighter can provide a few of these qualities they can be highly marketable, unfortunately most fighters don't possess more than 1 or 2 of the them, so most fighters are hard to market. So when the promoters get someone who sells they shove them down our throats. Sometimes they misjudge what appeals to the audience, while somewhat stupid as far as the sport goes some casual fans can spot a fraud, Broner most fans were smart enough to see him for what he was, a sad attempt to duplicate Mayweather and sell him as his heir apparent, which blew up in Haymon and Showtime's faces.

    Casual fans definitely know what they don't like, which is Being Bored, what bores them?..... overly intricate boxing matches, they want to be wowed and they aren't going to get that with a trigonometry lesson in the ring, so if a fighter is too technical... no one will care. Why? Because they find it complicated, which causes them to lose focus, because when you have to think while being entertained it takes you out of the moment, making you lose track and become disinterested. Therefore promoters don't waste their money or time trying to sell the unsellable, Lara and Rigondeaux will never be stars, because they are not willing to compromise their style to please the audience.

    So the promoter makes fights to entertain the general audience, not us, because they want as many viewers as they can get, which makes them even more money. We can rebel against this trend by not watching the product, causing their ratings to decrease, PPV buys to evaporate and most importantly lose their money, but that is the problem because we are addicted obsessives, and watch everything that comes on, therefore we are directly contributing to the continuation of the model that we find so problematic. We can't stop watching therefore they have no reason to amend their business model.

    Promoters will continue to do what they want, how they want, because they know we will always be there for them in spite of our protestations, because we are fanatical, so we are taken for granted as being a constant, which means we don't have to be catered to, but the nonchalant casuals, they must always been entertained, if they aren't they walk out of the door, because they don't care as much as we do.
    Its not fair to us the hardcore fans, but that's how most entertainment based businesses work. Hollywood doesn't care about geeks it only cares about the masses.
    It sucks but there is really nothing we can do about it, because the hardcore fans voice is not as loud as the casuals, because as usual the tyranny of the majority wins out..

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  2. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly, all you can do is understand the best you can so you are not as upset when why a fight you wanted to go down did not go down. Also, by understanding and knowing what to expect from a fight that is made, with no over expectation's or under, you get more enjoyment out of that fight as well. All this raging by people gets nowhere, fighters constantly attacked as if it's their fault, and the same with promoter's and managers.

    They all to bow to the mighty dollar, and so choose the path that makes them the most of it. We don't always get the fights we want, but for me myself, I'm loving boxing right now. It's the constant whining of fans that I'm not enjoying so much. And that's always due to way overblown expectation's by them, due to a lack of understanding of what they can or should expect.
     
  3. Boxing Prospect

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    At the end of the day the casuals want action. A lot of the little known names can deliver action at a fraction of the price. A promoter may need to invest a little but the pay in the long term is a better profit than paying the likes of Rod Salka an over-inflated purse.
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    If marketed correctly, Matthysse-Molina or Juanma -Salido, could have been mega events, that is what most fans want, and sometimes the promoters overlook this, sometimes the names they sell aren't as entertaining as the co featured fighters.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Fans get spoiled very easily nowadays, last year was the best year in boxing in a very long time, which is bad for boxing in some ways, many movie sequels are great in their own right, but people can never seem to want to see past the original and always compare part 2 to part 1. Not every match will be a stunner but so what, we should just watch and try to enjoy.
    As much as I bash Cotto, I still get excited to watch him, I'm a big fan of his in some ways, even if he fights Lee, it has the potential to be very entertaining. We should lighten up a little.
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Good thread :good

    You won't change anybodies mind. Froch will still be ducking Ward because he fought Groves for £13 million securing his future, in front of 80,000 people and a PPV audience instead of going to Jokeland and fighting Ward in front of one man and his dog for £100,000 in a clinch fest.

    They need to try and put themselves in the fighters shoes
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    I was planning on making my thread last night far longer and to include all of this, but it would have been a War and Peace sized monstrosity. So I broke it into 2 parts. But I know no one will care.
    Your absolutely right with the Ward Froch stuff. Ward is good at making fighters look bad, he doesn't beat them up, and hurt them, he is a spoiler nothing more. Froch may be able to improve on his first performance but what's the point, he has nothing to gain from fighting Ward. Meanwhile Ward is inactive and Carl is taking undefeated fighters souls left and right and making tons of money.
     
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    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :patriot:vonnecunt:patriot
     
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  10. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    I'm an ass for asking but could you do a 5-6 line short version summary? please fell free to tell me to gtfo or just read the full thing if you like...a summary will make the casual forum users read it also :D
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :fy .....No your right, I actually had both threads combined for one massive book-like article, but I decided to split them up, I know I'm shooting myself in the foot with the length most people on the forums have a short attention span and won't read the whole thing, read it if like, personally I think its worthwhile:good
     
  12. miniq

    miniq FURY COMETH 2026 Full Member

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    I understand.. No problem...I will read it when my headache is gone. This is the type of post I might have made in the past but I get 3 lines in and think fck it nobody will care anyway LOL so glad you made the effort.
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :good I'm somewhat of a sado masochist, I know no one cares and do it anyway.
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here's the thing though...

    Back when boxing was being shown on free TV, some brilliant technicians were being featured on a fairly regular basis; and came to be reasonably well known as a result.

    Pernell Whitaker was a legitimate star, in the 80's; and Benitez was just as much of a star in the previous decade. Eusebio Pedroza was a mainstay on network TV in the early 80's. A tough, tricky Saoul Mamby made several network appearances in his own right. Even Hilario Zapata made an appearance on Wide World Of Sports against Joey Olivo.

    If you give boxers the right exposure and match them correctly, there's no reason why they won't be appreciated.
     
  15. seansanashee

    seansanashee Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Boxing is a sport.

    You don't see top football teams avoid each other.
    You don't see top tennis players avoid each other.
    You don't see top cricket teams avoid each other.
    You don't see top baseball teams avoid each other.
    You don't see top
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    players avoid each other.

    Top boxers avoiding each other is very bad for the sport but even darts (which is questionable as a sport) is becoming a more credible sport than boxing. Too many farces are happening in boxing.