Boxing is a crazy sport (Andy Ruiz lottery winner)

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  1. CutThroatFade

    CutThroatFade Rangers FC Full Member

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    In 2016, Andy Ruiz lost a close decision to Joseph Parker. His purse was $500,000 and if we are going to be honest, his total career earnings to that date probably didn't top $1m. In his entire career the only elite opponent he has faced is Parker. He has only faced one undefeated fighter apart from parker, Joe Hanks.

    Now, after a relatively risk free career, he's going to earn $5m+ to box Anthony Joshua after three easy opponents since Parker.

    To top it off, the guy isn't even a serious athlete. He eats burgers and chips and tacos and burritos for fun, washed down with beer. And he's going to earn enough money in June to retire before the age of 30.

    People say boxing is a "mug's game" which is true for most boxers but Ruiz is a lottery winner.

    If you are, or you know of, a young kid, aged 16 or 17, at least 6'2" in height with the potential to grow taller, good frame and generally good athleticism, take your ass, or take that kid's ass, into a boxing gym and try to become a HW boxer. The earning potential in this division is nuts. All you need to do is beat a host of bums before you land the winning lottery numbers. Look at Charles Martin, same thing applies to him.
     
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  2. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have to be able to box and fight as well mind, which Ruiz can do quite well.

    Yes he has been lucky in a financial sense and although I expect him to be stopped around the 8th, I think he will give a good account of himself.
     
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  3. CutThroatFade

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    That's why I was talking about teenagers, aged 16 and 17 with athleticism. Take them into the gym at that age with a good trainer and you have five years honing their craft.

    Charles Martin is the definition of basic with no real outstanding athletic ability. $5m purse against Joshua.
     
  4. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know what you mean however my argument is that most 16-17 year olds will get found out in the gym.

    Although the like of Charles Martin are poor at world level, he still came through the ranks, whereas most fall at the first hurdle.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

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    In the case of Charles Martin he didn't just win the lottery once he won it twice. He should of never of been in a position to sell off a world title in the first place, it was a huge piece of luck that Glazkov sustained that injury. Then another huge piece of luck that there was someone with Joshua's fan base to give him such a huge payday. Haymon tried to get him to unify with Wilder which probably wouldn't of paid him as well but instead he cashed out big time vs Joshua.
     
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  6. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chance favors the prepared mind.
     
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  7. sean

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    whats even more crazy is 2 other fighters in kownacki and ortiz turned down $5 million when they were offered the joshua fight before ruiz

    when ruiz is offered it he jumped at it

    10 times your previous biggest payday
    team kownacki and ortiz are mad

    ortiz is 40 and now is solely relying on wilder/haymon for a payday to cash out on
    and whatr do team kownacki invisage there man being ?

    i dont care how much longer to he gets a title shot he is never ever going to beat joshua/wilder/fury and is never going to be a huge star commanding 5 million paydays.
     
  8. sean

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    i think ruiz is a warrior as well
    i also agree takam fought a defensive fight looking for what was coming his way more than dishing it out
    hard to catch a fighter who knows what he is doing flush when they are not throwing your wy but just watching and boxing defensivly

    ruiz in the fights i have seen takes it to you/ which joshua will like
    i see a brezeale type box patient display from range joshua taking his time and breakingf ruiz down without giving ruiz the oppurtunity to get in and let his hands go..

    as i said ruiz looks to have a great chin but it will eroded if he takes so many clean shots .
     
  9. Brighton bomber

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    Kownacki turning it down I kind of understand, he's young, if he beats Wilder he demands more for a unification fight than what he gets now. Being undefeated the idea of losing to Wilder to him seems like a distant and unlikely outcome.

    Ortiz has already failed once to beat Wilder and is only getting older and slower, he looked far from impressive vs Hammer, can't see any reason for Ortiz to turn it down. Maybe like with Kownacki he thinks he can get more if he takes Wilder's title but he already tried that and failed and the fact he already walked away from a mandatory shot vs Joshua and the excuses him and his team have been coming up with suggest to me he and his team simply don't want it. Ortiz has never been one to push himself or take risks, he spent most of his career facing nobodies, I think that's where he's comfortable, he talks big about fighting everyone but his actions suggest it's all talk. He's more than happy to suckle on the Haymon teat for as long as possible making small paydays without any risk until he retires. Don't think he even cares if he gets a rematch with Wilder or not, he's not exactly pushing for it.
     
  10. grutsch

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    No, if you are tall, strong and most of all have a screw lose in your head - then you might think of a boxing career. It takes a certain kind of crazy, to accept getting punched on the head.
     
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  11. sean

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    i cant see kownicki doing anything be wilder

    but i take your point unbeaten fighters have that mentality that they are unbeatable

    i just see him as a very good toughman / a modern day butterbean

    with ortiz with the stories changing daily i really do think he was on something and could not sign up immediatly which is what 100% of boxers in his position would have done.

    ortiz v joshua is the fight i would like to have seen / now we will never see that fight .
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Jarrell Miller was an even luckier case.
    Not even one elite opponent in his entire career.
    Hardly any amateur boxing to his credit, more of a kickboxer turned powerlifter.
    Just a chancer, juiced to the gills, bloated on 'roids and HGH, fuelled with EPO.
    Beat up some second-raters.
    Talked a load of ****.
    24 profesional fights and he was being lined up for Joshua.
    He almost made it too.
     
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  13. Komaster

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    Where did it say he'll earn 5 mil?
     
  14. Brighton bomber

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    Agree in regards to Kownacki, the Martin fight showed his true level, several top 10 heavies would beat him and Wilder will KO him as he's far too easy to hit.

    Very possible it was a PED issue for Ortiz, he's failed twice before and last time got a slap on the wrist and still got to fight for the title, so there's little disincentive to stop cheating now. Either way I just don't think he wants the Joshua fight, if he had he would of sat on his WBA mandatory instead of fight Wilder for peanuts. I don't think it's a fight we will ever see.
     
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  15. Komaster

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    If Ruiz gets paid more than 1.5mill I'll be shocked.
     
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