Boxing is Dead - Pac and Wlad are the Proof

teo lye teck · Aug 22, 2010

Axl_Nose said: ↑

It pains me to say this, but as an experienced Boxing fan it is quite clear that Boxing is a dying art that can never recapture its old glory days. Boxing is facing its 'Last Stand' and radical changes have to happen to save the sport from total extinction ..

What is totally frustrating is that Boxing is as popular as ever but its traditional 'working man supporter', its base, cannot watch the sport at its highest level due to the short term greed of the PPV system. A system that started with Leonard v Hearns and has developed into a cancer that is killing the sport .. Leonard v Hearns was a minimal fee but once Mike Tyson's career reached its zenith and when De La Hoya took over, PPV went to $50 and was out of reach to the next potential superstars of boxing, young kids need to see Mayweather perform to inspire them, just like kids who grew up in the 60s and 70s needed to see Ali perform to make them try and emulate their hero ....

Boxing needs an independent governing body that orders the proper matches and takes the power away from promoters and fighters before its too late, i dont know how this is possible in the current era but if it doesnt happen, Boxing will be finished in 20 years ..

The most obvious evidence that Boxing is dying is the hyperbole involving fighters like Wlad Klitschko, Manny Pac, David Haye and Amir Khan .. Does anybody truly believe that Manny Pac, as hard working as he is, would take 3 rounds off Mayweather ?? Cmon, lets be real, even if you hate Mayweather, if you know your boxing, you know that Floyd Mayweather is the last of the line of stellar boxing artists, and it doesnt matter what Pac did against Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya and Clottey, Mayweather has more ability in his little toe than all these fighters put together .. The only reason why the fight hasnt happened yet is they are trying to maximise PPV profit, its the 'slow build' process that Ray Leonard did with Hagler. Floyd and Pac know that if they wait for as long as possible they will get even more millions, it isnt about drug testing, it isnt about who is scared of who, its all about cultivating controversy and interest, it'll happen next year in May or June and Mayweather will dominate him, people are being 'sold' a dud in the hope that its gold !!

Im by no means a Mayweather zealot fan, i think he'd be beaten by a number of modern greats, like Leonard, Hearns, Curry .. I think he'd get stopped by a Light Middle McCallum and i think he'd get out thought by Pernell .. But the fact remains, that he is the only active fighter today that could have been successful in a previous era ..
Wlad Klitschko is an average fighter, he stands out today because none of his opponents have a clue about cutting range .. Put him in with a skilled Heavy like Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis and he'd be a 20/1 underdog. Is anybody impressed with him beating Arreola or Ibragimov ?? Steward is, because its his fighter and Manny will proclaim that Wlad would be a match for anybody in history, but to me he's just another big guy who hasnt been exposed recently, i say 'recently' because when i seen him knocked out by Ross Purity, Lamon Brewster and Corrie Sanders, i thought he was a bum, and then when i seen his fight with Sam Peter, i thought, wow this guy looks like Primo Carnera against Max Baer, he's all over the place and cannot take a punch .... Can you imagine Ali or Holmes being stopped by mediocrity like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster ?? Yet we are 'sold' that Wlad is in fact, 'one of the greats' .. That is a desperate appeal by a dying sport ....

Only Floyd Mayweather could compete with the fighters of the past .. Compare the calibre of fighter we had in the 90s to what we had in the 2000's ..

90's

Jones Jr
Toney
Hopkins
Lewis
Pernell Whitaker
Ricardo Lopez
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Holyfield
Tyson
Bowe

Who have we had in the 2000's

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez

Boxing is dying a slow death .. I would always read books about guys like Monzon, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Dempsey, Hagler, Marciano, Louis and Ali etc .. Would i really spend my time reading a book on Calzaghe, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Lewis or Naseem Hamed ?? The answer is a resounding No, because their legend is not authentic, its tinged with a 'celebrity' manipulation that is fake compared to the legends of the past ..

How does Boxing come back from the dead ?? Is there any way back for the sport we all love ??
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boxing is dying bcoz of this??

RSBonos · Aug 22, 2010

Can we have a 'boxing ez dooomed!!" super thread where we can merge all this bull**** together?

Same goes for every Floyd-Pac topic.

Mods need to clamp down.

Dynasty091 · Aug 22, 2010

Boxing will die on the day Steve Arreola retires.

booradley · Aug 22, 2010

I'm always amazed by people who claim that 2 or 3 boxers can damage a global sport that has tens of thousands of participants and millions of fans sread out all over the world.

AnthonyW · Aug 22, 2010

booradley said: ↑

I'm always amazed by people who claim that 2 or 3 boxers can damage a global sport that has tens of thousands of participants and millions of fans sread out all over the world.
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And also not forgetting a very rich history...

1punch1nder · Aug 23, 2010

Axl_Nose said: ↑

It pains me to say this, but as an experienced Boxing fan it is quite clear that Boxing is a dying art that can never recapture its old glory days. Boxing is facing its 'Last Stand' and radical changes have to happen to save the sport from total extinction ..

What is totally frustrating is that Boxing is as popular as ever but its traditional 'working man supporter', its base, cannot watch the sport at its highest level due to the short term greed of the PPV system. A system that started with Leonard v Hearns and has developed into a cancer that is killing the sport .. Leonard v Hearns was a minimal fee but once Mike Tyson's career reached its zenith and when De La Hoya took over, PPV went to $50 and was out of reach to the next potential superstars of boxing, young kids need to see Mayweather perform to inspire them, just like kids who grew up in the 60s and 70s needed to see Ali perform to make them try and emulate their hero ....

Boxing needs an independent governing body that orders the proper matches and takes the power away from promoters and fighters before its too late, i dont know how this is possible in the current era but if it doesnt happen, Boxing will be finished in 20 years ..

The most obvious evidence that Boxing is dying is the hyperbole involving fighters like Wlad Klitschko, Manny Pac, David Haye and Amir Khan .. Does anybody truly believe that Manny Pac, as hard working as he is, would take 3 rounds off Mayweather ?? Cmon, lets be real, even if you hate Mayweather, if you know your boxing, you know that Floyd Mayweather is the last of the line of stellar boxing artists, and it doesnt matter what Pac did against Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya and Clottey, Mayweather has more ability in his little toe than all these fighters put together .. The only reason why the fight hasnt happened yet is they are trying to maximise PPV profit, its the 'slow build' process that Ray Leonard did with Hagler. Floyd and Pac know that if they wait for as long as possible they will get even more millions, it isnt about drug testing, it isnt about who is scared of who, its all about cultivating controversy and interest, it'll happen next year in May or June and Mayweather will dominate him, people are being 'sold' a dud in the hope that its gold !!

Im by no means a Mayweather zealot fan, i think he'd be beaten by a number of modern greats, like Leonard, Hearns, Curry .. I think he'd get stopped by a Light Middle McCallum and i think he'd get out thought by Pernell .. But the fact remains, that he is the only active fighter today that could have been successful in a previous era ..
Wlad Klitschko is an average fighter, he stands out today because none of his opponents have a clue about cutting range .. Put him in with a skilled Heavy like Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis and he'd be a 20/1 underdog. Is anybody impressed with him beating Arreola or Ibragimov ?? Steward is, because its his fighter and Manny will proclaim that Wlad would be a match for anybody in history, but to me he's just another big guy who hasnt been exposed recently, i say 'recently' because when i seen him knocked out by Ross Purity, Lamon Brewster and Corrie Sanders, i thought he was a bum, and then when i seen his fight with Sam Peter, i thought, wow this guy looks like Primo Carnera against Max Baer, he's all over the place and cannot take a punch .... Can you imagine Ali or Holmes being stopped by mediocrity like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster ?? Yet we are 'sold' that Wlad is in fact, 'one of the greats' .. That is a desperate appeal by a dying sport ....

Only Floyd Mayweather could compete with the fighters of the past .. Compare the calibre of fighter we had in the 90s to what we had in the 2000's ..

90's

Jones Jr
Toney
Hopkins
Lewis
Pernell Whitaker
Ricardo Lopez
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Holyfield
Tyson
Bowe

Who have we had in the 2000's

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez

Boxing is dying a slow death .. I would always read books about guys like Monzon, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Dempsey, Hagler, Marciano, Louis and Ali etc .. Would i really spend my time reading a book on Calzaghe, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Lewis or Naseem Hamed ?? The answer is a resounding No, because their legend is not authentic, its tinged with a 'celebrity' manipulation that is fake compared to the legends of the past ..

How does Boxing come back from the dead ?? Is there any way back for the sport we all love ??
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bull****.

Exactabox · Aug 23, 2010

So all the boxers training now should just quit because they were born in the 70's 80's or 90's ? Did Leonard and Hearns have to compete with MMA + Ultimate Fighting and major sports with billions of dollars marketing and hyping sports to customers? There are more NBA channels now than there were tv stations when those guys fought. The popularity has nothing to do with all time greats and everything to do with the arrogant thought that boxing is not what it used to be. It is exactly what it used to be and it always needs a major star who appeals to the world to give it that boost.

Manny and Floyd had the chance to make one of the biggest sporting events in history and for sure in boxing history and it is even more special when you think about how many more organized sporting leagues exist with sponsor $'s that would make people back then **** in their pants.

Slider75 · Aug 23, 2010

Axl_Nose said: ↑

It pains me to say this, but as an experienced Boxing fan it is quite clear that Boxing is a dying art that can never recapture its old glory days. Boxing is facing its 'Last Stand' and radical changes have to happen to save the sport from total extinction ..

What is totally frustrating is that Boxing is as popular as ever but its traditional 'working man supporter', its base, cannot watch the sport at its highest level due to the short term greed of the PPV system. A system that started with Leonard v Hearns and has developed into a cancer that is killing the sport .. Leonard v Hearns was a minimal fee but once Mike Tyson's career reached its zenith and when De La Hoya took over, PPV went to $50 and was out of reach to the next potential superstars of boxing, young kids need to see Mayweather perform to inspire them, just like kids who grew up in the 60s and 70s needed to see Ali perform to make them try and emulate their hero ....

Boxing needs an independent governing body that orders the proper matches and takes the power away from promoters and fighters before its too late, i dont know how this is possible in the current era but if it doesnt happen, Boxing will be finished in 20 years ..

The most obvious evidence that Boxing is dying is the hyperbole involving fighters like Wlad Klitschko, Manny Pac, David Haye and Amir Khan .. Does anybody truly believe that Manny Pac, as hard working as he is, would take 3 rounds off Mayweather ?? Cmon, lets be real, even if you hate Mayweather, if you know your boxing, you know that Floyd Mayweather is the last of the line of stellar boxing artists, and it doesnt matter what Pac did against Cotto, Hatton, De La Hoya and Clottey, Mayweather has more ability in his little toe than all these fighters put together .. The only reason why the fight hasnt happened yet is they are trying to maximise PPV profit, its the 'slow build' process that Ray Leonard did with Hagler. Floyd and Pac know that if they wait for as long as possible they will get even more millions, it isnt about drug testing, it isnt about who is scared of who, its all about cultivating controversy and interest, it'll happen next year in May or June and Mayweather will dominate him, people are being 'sold' a dud in the hope that its gold !!

Im by no means a Mayweather zealot fan, i think he'd be beaten by a number of modern greats, like Leonard, Hearns, Curry .. I think he'd get stopped by a Light Middle McCallum and i think he'd get out thought by Pernell .. But the fact remains, that he is the only active fighter today that could have been successful in a previous era ..
Wlad Klitschko is an average fighter, he stands out today because none of his opponents have a clue about cutting range .. Put him in with a skilled Heavy like Ali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and Lewis and he'd be a 20/1 underdog. Is anybody impressed with him beating Arreola or Ibragimov ?? Steward is, because its his fighter and Manny will proclaim that Wlad would be a match for anybody in history, but to me he's just another big guy who hasnt been exposed recently, i say 'recently' because when i seen him knocked out by Ross Purity, Lamon Brewster and Corrie Sanders, i thought he was a bum, and then when i seen his fight with Sam Peter, i thought, wow this guy looks like Primo Carnera against Max Baer, he's all over the place and cannot take a punch .... Can you imagine Ali or Holmes being stopped by mediocrity like Purrity, Sanders and Brewster ?? Yet we are 'sold' that Wlad is in fact, 'one of the greats' .. That is a desperate appeal by a dying sport ....

Only Floyd Mayweather could compete with the fighters of the past .. Compare the calibre of fighter we had in the 90s to what we had in the 2000's ..

90's

Jones Jr
Toney
Hopkins
Lewis
Pernell Whitaker
Ricardo Lopez
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Holyfield
Tyson
Bowe

Who have we had in the 2000's

Mayweather
Pac
Marquez

Boxing is dying a slow death .. I would always read books about guys like Monzon, Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Dempsey, Hagler, Marciano, Louis and Ali etc .. Would i really spend my time reading a book on Calzaghe, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pac, Hopkins, Lewis or Naseem Hamed ?? The answer is a resounding No, because their legend is not authentic, its tinged with a 'celebrity' manipulation that is fake compared to the legends of the past ..

How does Boxing come back from the dead ?? Is there any way back for the sport we all love ??
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If you been living under a rock the last 25 years your point make senceatsch
In time things changes, including sports! Just because you cant adapt to new times, doesn`t mean the sport is dying to others who still love it! But you can just stay living in the past, if you want!

PaddyD1983 · Aug 23, 2010

prime said: ↑

I wouldn't be so depressing.

You have a solid point when you mention the magic of free TV, and how it makes true sports heroes accessible to the common man.

PPV places great live sporting moments off-limits to the impoverished masses: the very pool of life vital to a sport like boxing.

But let's stress the positive and do our part to help the sport along. Because, in the end, in our time decisions are made based on money-making potential, and boxing must be ready for the right time to capitalize on this.

What I mean: generally speaking, in the past couple of decades, we here in Mexico were fed a steady diet of free-TV pro wrestling as a main entertainment course. During this time, the country as a whole, and the PPV audience in particular, saw the rise of excellent boxers such as Barrera, Morales and Márquez. Someone decided good boxing-is-a-good show-is-good-business and placed it back on free TV. Now, both powerhouse national TV companies broadcast Saturday-night fights watched the country over, at all levels of society. Today, even a well-to-do teenage girl with no interest whatever in boxing will tell you who Antonio Margarito is.

In my humble opinion, I believe what we need more than anything is moral renewal in society at large. True heroes are lacking, not only in boxing, but in our world as a whole.

African kids with no access to television ran out of the thickets to excitedly greet "Muhammad Ali! The Greatest!", in no small measure due to the champ's standing by his convictions. Alexis Argüello gained many fans by going after a fourth weight-class belt by seeking out the best champion he could challenge. Joe Louis had so many of his people listening intently to a scratchy radio broadcast and joyfully pouring out into the streets after he crushed Schmeling, eventually winning over his race --the human race-- by conducting himself with honor.

This is what we lack today.

Look at Hank Aaron. The man hit 755 home runs. Boom! I can roll that number out instantly, because it means something. Because Hammerin' Hank did it the right way. How many homers did Bonds or McGwire hit? Man, I have no idea and I couldn't give a horse's behind, to tell you the truth.

It's all money today. But, in pursuit of money, we may be devaluing other things, intangible things, that in the end are infinitely more valuable than money.

I enjoy telling stories of my favorite fighters to nonfans --as well as what boxing has done for me-- and seeing how their interest is awakened by these genuinely fascinating characters and profession.

Please spread the word.
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Top post!

:good

left jab danny · Aug 23, 2010

nip102 said: ↑

I'll give you a free look into the future, people will keep saying that Boxing is going to die until one day you die and Boxing lives on.
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Spot on:deal

PH|LLA · Aug 23, 2010

idiot

zerocool1523 · Aug 23, 2010

boxing was doing quite well when mayweather was retired. top guys fighting each. and in the previous era fighters don't fight once a year. so mayweather is still screwed.

HoldMyBeer · Aug 23, 2010

boxing isn't dead....but it will remian a non-mainstream sport that people will flock too only a couple of times a year when a really special fight emerges.

what floyd is doing by ignoring the manny fight is biting the hand that feeds him -and that's ****ing selfish.

boxing needs it's 'big nights' to stay on the radar.

TheChump · Aug 23, 2010

I'll be backing pacman to Ko floyd mayweather junior thanks very much for the info though.

miketysonko · Aug 23, 2010

Lazarus said: ↑

Oh wow. Another one of these threads.

Seriously, you guys keep moaning about how Boxing is dead and how certain matchups didn't happen. These type of threads only put me down.

I rather focus on the ****ing positives than read **** that's already obvious.

Can't we just move on and accept what it is and look forward to what have instead of sulk about this ****.
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:deal

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