Boxing is ENTERTAINMENT— Boxers Have an Obligation To ENTERTAIN— Boring Boxers, @$#% Yourselves!!!

Only someone who doesn't understand the term "boxing" would ***** about the lack of blood and guts. MMA Is for dying of brain bleeds. The entire point of boxing is to hit and not be hit.

 

Indeed.

*Sighs at the the shallow, entertainment-seeking millennialists*...

I prefer a more cerebral attitude towards sport...

 

Now, that's what I'm talking about. Excellent! I like that response.

 

All I know is when you watch Tyson, Pacquiao, guys like that, it's actually exciting. That's what I watch sports for. Look at the crowd in a Mayweather fight, no excitement at all. He's only a little exciting when another fighter forces him to fight like Cotto did, but that was all Cotto.

No way I'm paying to watch fighters like that.

 

That's subjective , to you it's more exciting I like watching pure boxers toy with non boxers. Heaven forbid you actually have to use your brain in the ring.

 

Boxing is a sport. The boxer's obligation is to win. If the boxer's style brings them more or less fans, thus more or less money, that's the way it goes. In any sport the goal is to WIN.

 

What's wrong with yall? lol Do yall not know the point of sports?

 

You have a point. Some of the activities are more dangerous than boxing but some are less dangerous and only cause more deaths because they are more popular. It's going to take me some time to find statistics for all of them. Thank you for keeping me honest.

As far as roofers go, it looks like only 40 die per 100,000 whereas boxers it's 50. Pilots and garbage handlers is 40 as well. Truck drivers is 24. Farmers is 22. Electricians is 20. But commercial fishing is more dangerous at 55 and loggers are 132. That goes for the occupations. For sports it looks like hang gliding is about 180 per 100,000. Scuba diving is only 3. Grand prix racing is 1,000. Motorbike racing is 100. Canoeing is 10. Base jumping is 1,666. Skiing is 1 in 1.4 million. Mountain climbing is 57 per 100k. Driving is 15 per 100k. Bull riding is 20. Surfing is 2. So, it looks like while piloting, roofing, and garbage handling come close the only jobs or sports more dangerous than boxing are logging, fishing, motorsports, mountain climbing, and base jumping.

 

Sporting activity aside, a lot of the accidents that occur to job related activities like roofing are alcohol related. In other words, there are a lot of roofers out there who drink on the job. That also has to be taken into account when you talk about the dangers of a job or activity. Anytime there's alcohol involved, the chances of an accident increase exponentially.

 

Of course boxing is entertainmet.
I'm not sure why anyone would even begin to dispute that.

 

A Boxer has no obligation to entertain the public or put themselves at any more risk than they need to just to put on a show. It is just another sport where the smart thing is to pick up the points and win the Boxing match in the safest and most efficient manner possible. A Boxing fan has no obligation to pay for a seat or pay for a PPV event. They are under no obligation to put money in to the pocket of any Boxers out there.

Luckily alot of Boxers out there, No, Most Boxers out there see Boxing as 2 things. It is a Professioal competition, it is also just a fight, they want to win the sporting event but they also wana kick the a55 of their opponent, they want to be able to leave that ring knowing had that been a caveman bare hand fight to the death then they would be the one walking away from that. These are the vast majority of Boxers, these are the ones that entertain us because they give us a fight.

This is why Andre Ward still fights in Leisure Centres in Oakland rather than MSG or Vegas yet Pacquiao sells out anywhere. I know Ward still gets the money but he doesnt get the hoardes of people excited about him. Thats why Ricky Hatton had people following him around the world.

So ther are not under any obligation to entertain at all, but you do that you dont get the following or recognition from the fans.

 

You're misrepresenting what he said. He didn't only praise outside boxing. Exchanging 'toe to toe' means two boxers standing in front of each other and taking and giving punches. And when Provodnikov, Figueroa, Micky Ward do that they get media and fan adulation that so many skilled boxers don't remotely get. I don't find that at all compelling. But the adept inside games of Duran, Chavez, Toney, Armstrong, and other greats involved subtle movement to find punching room, slipping and riding with punches, counterpunching, moving just out of harm's way when they need to. That's boxing. And that's responsible technical boxing first, fighting second. Sport first, entertainment only as a byproduct, not an obligation.

 

Without Provodnikov, Figueroa, and Micky Ward being willing to give and take punches we would not have Ward vs Gatti 1-3, Ward vs Augustus, Provodnikov vs Bradley, or Figueroa vs Arakawa. You're just promoting bland boring ****. You're ignoring huge aspects of what boxing is about. It has a skill element but that is not greater than the physical elements. Like someone already said this isn't chess. We like to see human beings testing their physical limits in a competitive setting and there are all kinds of ways that boxing will test you which are unrelated to your technique. What is often called heart is actually a number of commendable things like chin, stamina, pain tolerance, courage, and will. Pretending that Provodnikov or Mickey Ward didn't have those attributes in spades would be as unfair as disregarding Mayweather's natural speed or Golovkin's power, two other aspects of the game that have nothing to do with technique.

Personally, I am in awe of the way some fighters can soak up punishment and come back for more. That is crazy warrior spirit, and Gatti actually won some fights on guts alone. How can anyone not admire that? Orlando Salido isn't a pound for pound great, but he is a heart for heart great. The extent that he pushed himself, the grit and selfless abandon, that naked desire to win and willingness to walk through the fire was downright ennobling. Monty Meza Clay may not be the best, but he was as game as they come. People say that Micky Ward is unskilled, but he could stretch himself to the very limits of human endurance in ways that Floyd Mayweather, Erislandy Lara, or Guillermo Rigondeaux never did.

Think of all the fights Carl Froch won on stamina, or all the fights George Foreman won on brute strength alone. Think of Hector Camacho and his speed. So much of what we praise and love about boxing has nothing to do with skills, because skills is only one aspect of the competition. If you limit the entire competition to that single dimension you diminish it. Jorge Linares has some of the best technique in the game but nobody gives a damn because he doesn't have power or chin. He's an incomplete fighter as surely as Mayweather and Lara lacked heart, or as Provodnikov lacked skill.

Brandon Rios and Mike Alvarado, Pawel Wolak and Delvin Rodriguez, Bernard Dunne and Ricardo Cordoba, not the greatest fighters, but they showed the fans that they had something great inside of them regardless of their skillset, that on a given night they could reach within and find the stuff champions are made of. Because at the end of the day, the real opponent is the one in the mirror, not the one in the corner, and the real champion is the one who overcomes his limitations refusing to give any less than his best.

 

So the crowd are not entertained watching Floyd? How the fcuk did this guy then sell so many ppv's and have record gate receipts for his fights? If he really was so bad why did people pay good money to see him fight?

You ever thought just maybe not everyone shares the same opinion as yourself?

The beauty of boxing is you get multiple styles and not everyone fights the same way.