How about it? I'm fairly comfortable with both (particularly boxing), but aside from the odd fight on the street, I've never really had the opportunity to test their use simultaneously and integrate one into the other, as in a mixed martial arts competition. Now there's a lot of **** going about... Sloppy boxing, poor judo... But if someone had boxed all their life (i.e., a natural boxer) spent a couple of years practising judo on top, how does everyone here think they'd fare? Obviously there's a lack of kicking technique, but in my opinion kicks are quite low on the priority scale... I'd prefer to be a deluxe counter puncher with quick throws and a good ground game. To me it seems like too many fighters try to be good at everything, whereas with this I'd emphasise proper boxing training (high fitness, speed, agility, punching going backwards) and lots of sparring (randori) with the judo, paying most attention to chokes, strangles and simple but effective throws. Anyone else have an opinion on this?
In all honesty I'm not a big follower of MMA stuff, more interested in things from a self defence point of view; so I don't know a lot about Fedor - but from the limited footage I've seen of him, I thought I remembered him being a kickboxer/sambo type? I was thinking even more specialist; almost like a Pernell Whitaker style of boxing coupled with an emphasis on quick judo throws-to-chokes. Simplifying things but truly mastering them (if possible). It might even be that you only use three different throws and four submissions, but really get them down as perfect as you can*. On the boxing side of things; straight punching, counters, good distance. *Don't want to end up predictable of course, but then in the judo world there are competitors who only utilise a couple of techniques, but do it extremely well and land them every time.
Sambo is essentially Judo with a slightly different rule set. Fedor has competed in both, considers himself a sambo fighter certainly, but uses chokes (illegal in sambo) far more than leglocks (illegal in judo) From a self defense standpoint it is great; you are used to grappling in a gi, which can help you with thicker clothes, or even a strong t shirt. A lot of the collar chokes that Judo is big on will come in handy. You are used to throwing people to the ground whilst remaining upright, the ideal situation in a street fight situation.
been runnning doors for twenty years now, am a dan grade at judo and trained boxing for fitness purposes only, same for kickboxing and mma...judo has served me well over the years, so much more 'humane' than having to strike someone in my game....i reckon a good boxer with good grappling skills will be hard to beat for anyone....wish id studied striking more when i was younger to be honest..
Yep, I know they're similar, and Fedor may sound like a similar fighter to what I'm proposing. But in my mind it's more specific. Imagine that Pernell Whitaker style, good defence and distance, long range shots with some pop (as well as a good inside game), and then the judo for back up. I find a lot of the throws in judo are perfect for counter attacks seeing as many of them use angles and on-the-spot or backward-moving leverage and momentum.
I don't see Whitaker as the ideal boxer to immitate in a street fight. First, it's really hard, second it requires a lot of countering, which is dangerous if you get wrong. Good straight punches with a strong jab would be better, IMHO. Think Hearns. Not that counter punching isn't good, but I get the feeling you are saying you don't want to start fights, which is good, but in order to properly counter you need to be set and ready to throw when the punch is throw, which is unlikely, I think, if you aren't looking to fight.
It depends how they chose to use their skillset. fedor emelianenko, yoshohiro akiyama, Hector Lombard. none of these guys come from a strong boxing backround, but are pretty good with their hands and dont use a lot of kicks in their striking. fedor has always been more of a ground fighter but has some boxing abilities. I dont think the fighter your talking about has competed in mma yet but the closest successful fighter that matches that description as Beebs says is fedor at the moment. the problem is if a fighter has a good boxing background has great counterpunching, movement power, and good defense they probably wont find themselves in mma because of the lower payscale. It is more likely that they will come from a grappling background and learn the boxing elements as they progress, similar to the fighters I previously mentioned.
im sure has thrown kicks..but not much..and he doesnt use a muay tha stance at all...very few knees..he boxers in his stand up more then anything...Sambo is close to BJJ on the ground..but it does more throws...so in many ways Sambo is allot more like Judo. As for your question..only weakness with Judo is they should spend a bit more time on the ground..also if you dont want to go to the ground..you should drill sprawls and take down defense from wrestlers.
I agree with all of that. Judo and BJJ really should be cross training more. They are practically brothers and are almost the missing link for each other.
Don't worry about street fights, or whether I'd get time to set myself or whatever. What I'm interested in really is just the ultimate fighting style for self defence, fighting competitions, everything. I was thinking Whitaker because that's what works best for me. I think ideally you'd have Roberto Duran and give him a black belt in judo.
Yep, that's the way it seems to go, which is unfortunate I think. Because although boxing is learned quickly, it seems to take a longer time to really master than most other forms of combat. Smooth punches.
