Boxing knowledge seems to have regressed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016.


Page 1 of 2
  1. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,778
    1,676
    Apr 9, 2016
    Some examples of this;

    Joshua KO'd Molina in 3 and Wilder struggled so therefor Joshua would KO Wilder.

    Pulev beat Chisora easier than Whyte, whyte did ok against joshua so therefor Pulev beats Joshua.

    Is this serious? We are forgetting boxings golden rule, styles make fights. Just because boxer A beats boxer C, and boxer C beats boxer B doesn;t mean A beats B. That's not how this works.

    A great example I saw at the weekend, Callum Smith fought Luke Blackledge, a fighter that was KO'D in 1 round by Rocky Fielding. Fielding was KO'd in 1 by Smith yet Blackledge took Smith into the later rounds. What matters in boxing is what happens on the night and what our eyes tell us how their styles will match up, not how they performed against mutual opponents.
     
    Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016
    Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016
    #1
    NakiFan, ForemanJab, Staminakills and 5 others like this.
  2. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,545
    1,508
    Nov 9, 2013
    They are being serious but we are in that era where these fallacies are the order of the day. People are proud and ignorant about ****.
     
    Blackclouds, Dec 11, 2016
    Blackclouds, Dec 11, 2016
    #2
    Staminakills and Willie Maeket like this.
  3. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

    11,844
    15,621
    Nov 9, 2015

    Exactly. Other factors which come into play are: length of camp/notice to fight, injury (in training for a fight or the fight itself), illness, lack of sparring partners, quality of sparring partners, personal issues etc etc. There's so much we don't see behind every fight, making these comparisons merely an interesting aside rather than anything insightful...
     
    DoubleJab666, Dec 11, 2016
    DoubleJab666, Dec 11, 2016
    #3
    GK BOX, Staminakills, TheyDontBoxNoMore7 and 2 others like this.
  4. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    16,149
    1,044
    Jan 29, 2005
    Wilder ability ( or lack of ) to take Joshua's power is the coefficient in that equasion Lol
     
    Heavyrighthand, Dec 11, 2016
    Heavyrighthand, Dec 11, 2016
    #4
  5. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,404
    14,596
    Feb 28, 2016
    You're completely right, but part of the problem is that so few top matchups are being made that we sort of have to resort to common opponents to guess who would win.
     
    KiwiMan, Dec 11, 2016
    KiwiMan, Dec 11, 2016
    #5
    ZODIUS!!!, MUFA$A, drenlou and 2 others like this.
  6. ModernTalking

    ModernTalking New Member banned Full Member

    79
    33
    Oct 8, 2016
    Juan Manuel Marquez drinks pee therefore it's safe. Floyd is one thirsty dehydrated dude there should IV pee.
     
    ModernTalking, Dec 11, 2016
    ModernTalking, Dec 11, 2016
    #6
  7. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

    245,420
    241,023
    Nov 23, 2013
    What matters is this, thus far Anthony Joshua has faced NO ONE of note, all of his opponents have been tailor made for him, the only guy with a few intangibles he's faced to this point is Whyte and he almost KO'd him. Breazeale, Molina, Martin, Cornish have all been there to be hit.

    He's faced targets, where are the pressure fighters, skilled aggressive southpaws, counter punchers, swarmers etc.?

    He is a one two plodder who needs to set his feet to get off his punches, what match has he fought that's prepared him for someone like Fury with his constant feinting, lateral movement, sound defense, use of angles, or Haye with his herky jerky movement, weird angles, head movement, unorthodox defense and ambush style, or Wlad who feasts on rudimentary by the numbers guys like AJ, his chin is always protected, his parrying of shots, his counter clinch rhythm disrupting style, or Pulev, who wouldn't fight the same fight he fought against Wlad, his superior jab, his superior defense, his use of clinches would also prove problematic for AJ. Wilder's constant movement, reach, fluidity, jab, angles all problems for AJ. Ortiz's southpaw stance, defense, aggression etc. Nothing he's been in the ring with has served to enhance any aspect of his game that he can employ against the top guys in the division.

    Everyone he's faced would be steamrolled by the guys I just mentioned as well, only thing we've seen so far is that AJ has power, but most of the guys I just mentioned are pretty damn good at neutralizing fighters and taking their primary tools away from them. Styles make fights, and so far AJ has fought nothing but styles that accentuate his positives, and sweep his negatives under the carpet, and that will come back to bite him in the ass when he steps up.
     
    CST80, Dec 11, 2016
    CST80, Dec 11, 2016
    #7
    GK BOX, NakiFan, ZODIUS!!! and 4 others like this.
  8. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

    13,894
    8,368
    Jun 22, 2015

    Yes and no. What is overlooked is the fact that AJ has power and his skillset has improved with every fight. He switches up his punch combination from the standard 1,2 he would throw for 8 fights straight to throwing uppercuts in the mix. The same fighter that AJ is,Kell Brook is, and I hated it until the fight comes and they prove me wrong every time.
    I'm done fighting it. Until AJ is beaten soundly, he is the King of the HW jungle. I see no one stopping him, not Wilder, Povetkin, Wlad, Fury....No One!!! He is the Juggernaut!

    He trains religiously
    His punch variation improves every fight
    He is never out of shape in the off time
    He is not a (known) drug user
    He is not an alcoholic
    He is rich but it has not corrupted him

    He is everything a real Champion is suppose to be!!
     
    Willie Maeket, Dec 11, 2016
    Willie Maeket, Dec 11, 2016
    #8
    ForemanJab, theanatolian and Staminakills like this.
  9. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,545
    10,724
    May 25, 2012
    Its the matchroom way though. Fight nobodies then make a huge jump in class and hope for the best or spin the defeat into a moral victory/robbery.
     
    nurological, Dec 11, 2016
    nurological, Dec 11, 2016
    #9
  10. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

    27,259
    18,341
    Feb 4, 2012
    Did CST really just praise the 'fluidity' of Wilder?
     
    Sugar 88, Dec 11, 2016
    Sugar 88, Dec 11, 2016
    #10
    Staminakills likes this.
  11. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,778
    1,676
    Apr 9, 2016
    Apart from this not being a specific Joshua thread, I'm going to focus on these parts regardless. So it's easy to say "why isn't he fighting x", feasibly which of these higher level guys could he have actually fought? Pulev was offered the fight but turned it down, Haye represents the biggest challenge for Joshua and yet he's fighting cruiserweight Bellew. That leaves Ortiz, who simply isn't yet marketable enough and hasn't particularly been impressive himself his last 2 outings. I don't understand your complaints, his next fight is against Klitschko in what will be his 19th pro fight, can't really step up more than that can he?
     
    Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016
    Glassbrain, Dec 11, 2016
    #11
    Sugar 88 and Staminakills like this.
  12. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

    32,841
    12,776
    Dec 9, 2012
    IDKSAB however most of us with some knowledge, as myself, realize the old myth of fighter A beat B and then fighter C struggled with B so fighter A can KO fighter C which is just all rubbish as you pointed out bro.
     
    Bustajay, Dec 11, 2016
    Bustajay, Dec 11, 2016
    #12
    Willie Maeket and Staminakills like this.
  13. blackhercules

    blackhercules Active Member banned Full Member

    531
    169
    Nov 13, 2016
    Right yet you think Joshua can handle Wilder's power? Typical moron logic.
     
    blackhercules, Dec 11, 2016
    blackhercules, Dec 11, 2016
    #13
  14. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,432
    2,406
    Nov 2, 2016
    And this is a list that few ever pay attention too.
     
    TheyDontBoxNoMore7, Dec 11, 2016
    TheyDontBoxNoMore7, Dec 11, 2016
    #14
    DoubleJab666 likes this.
  15. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    15,329
    2,095
    Jun 8, 2012
    Thanks for giving some of the most basic common sense in sports, especially fighting. how these simple rules of law fly right over most people's head's is beyond reason
     
    Staminakills, Dec 11, 2016
    Staminakills, Dec 11, 2016
    #15
    DoubleJab666 likes this.
Page 1 of 2