Boxing knowledge seems to have regressed

GALVATRON · Dec 11, 2016

Glassbrain said: ↑

Some examples of this;

Joshua KO'd Molina in 3 and Wilder struggled so therefor Joshua would KO Wilder.

Pulev beat Chisora easier than Whyte, whyte did ok against joshua so therefor Pulev beats Joshua.

Is this serious? We are forgetting boxings golden rule, styles make fights. Just because boxer A beats boxer C, and boxer C beats boxer B doesn;t mean A beats B. That's not how this works.

A great example I saw at the weekend, Callum Smith fought Luke Blackledge, a fighter that was KO'D in 1 round by Rocky Fielding. Fielding was KO'd in 1 by Smith yet Blackledge took Smith into the later rounds. What matters in boxing is what happens on the night and what our eyes tell us how their styles will match up, not how they performed against mutual opponents.
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Joshua fought a better Molina than wilder did. Whyte also possibly fought the most prepared Chisora...... Pulev never beats AJ ....ever.

DoubleJab666 · Dec 11, 2016

Staminakills said: ↑

Thanks for giving some of the most basic common sense in sports, especially fighting. how these simple rules of law fly right over most people's head's is beyond reason
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It's one of the reasons they actually bother to hold the fights, otherwise all you would need is a computer, an algorithm and a bunch of stats and let it decide. Literally CompuBox. It's the human element which makes the difference, and makes us fans...

CST80 · Dec 11, 2016

Glassbrain said: ↑

Apart from this not being a specific Joshua thread, I'm going to focus on these parts regardless. So it's easy to say "why isn't he fighting x", feasibly which of these higher level guys could he have actually fought? Pulev was offered the fight but turned it down, Haye represents the biggest challenge for Joshua and yet he's fighting cruiserweight Bellew. That leaves Ortiz, who simply isn't yet marketable enough and hasn't particularly been impressive himself his last 2 outings. I don't understand your complaints, his next fight is against Klitschko in what will be his 19th pro fight, can't really step up more than that can he?
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I'm not criticizing AJ for taking the Wlad match, I don't think its particularly brave either, its a gamble, either he wins and he truly is the next big thing and he becomes one of the biggest stars in the sport or if he loses, Eddie will say it was too soon for such a step up and its time to go back to the drawing board, no big deal. Pulev isn't scared of AJ and neither is Haye. As far as Ortiz goes, he's a **** of a lot more marketable than Molina, Martin and Breazeale.

I'm not complaining, I'm pointing out that yes the triangle theories are idiotic and that styles make fights, and all the people spewing their nonsense about AJ never seem to get the full picture of and complexities AJ will face when he steps up against an unfavorable style, him KOing easy to hit bums quicker than Wilder isn't indicative of anything other than power, which isn't the be all end all of the sport. After all look at Mares-Cuellar last night, and for the record I picked Mares to win.

ZODIUS!!! · Dec 11, 2016

CST80 said: ↑

What matters is this, thus far Anthony Joshua has faced NO ONE of note, all of his opponents have been tailor made for him, the only guy with a few intangibles he's faced to this point is Whyte and he almost KO'd him. Breazeale, Molina, Martin, Cornish have all been there to be hit.

He's faced targets, where are the pressure fighters, skilled aggressive southpaws, counter punchers, swarmers etc.?

He is a one two plodder who needs to set his feet to get off his punches, what match has he fought that's prepared him for someone like Fury with his constant feinting, lateral movement, sound defense, use of angles, or Haye with his herky jerky movement, weird angles, head movement, unorthodox defense and ambush style, or Wlad who feasts on rudimentary by the numbers guys like AJ, his chin is always protected, his parrying of shots, his counter clinch rhythm disrupting style, or Pulev, who wouldn't fight the same fight he fought against Wlad, his superior jab, his superior defense, his use of clinches would also prove problematic for AJ. Wilder's constant movement, reach, fluidity, jab, angles all problems for AJ. Ortiz's southpaw stance, defense, aggression etc. Nothing he's been in the ring with has served to enhance any aspect of his game that he can employ against the top guys in the division.

Everyone he's faced would be steamrolled by the guys I just mentioned as well, only thing we've seen so far is that AJ has power, but most of the guys I just mentioned are pretty damn good at neutralizing fighters and taking their primary tools away from them. Styles make fights, and so far AJ has fought nothing but styles that accentuate his positives, and sweep his negatives under the carpet, and that will come back to bite him in the ass when he steps up.
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Great post I bothered to read it properly twice because it's you

Great breakdown

Apart from power AJ is unproven

NakiFan · Dec 11, 2016

yes, yes and obviously.

elchivito · Dec 11, 2016

They are just generalizations from impressions people get from certain fights and jump to conclusions, we all have done it at some point and are going to continue to do so. Like Pacman destroying Hatton more sensationally than Floyd did, but for all we know, Hatton was probably damaged goods even tho it took place at 140. Forrest clearly beating Mosley, getting beat by Mayorga, then Mayorga humbled by Mosley. I agree, there are many factors like injuries, personal problems, body not being able to dehydrate anymore, bad camp, party lifestyle, etc etc Well then you shouldn't of have signed that contract.

Bogotazo · Dec 11, 2016

Long story short, triangle theory isn't reliable.

CST80 · Dec 12, 2016

ZODIUS!!! said: ↑

Great post I bothered to read it properly twice because it's you

Great breakdown

Apart from power AJ is unproven
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Thank you Zodius.

Farmboxer · Dec 12, 2016

Anyone who thinks SOB Ward beat Kovalev has zero knowledge...............

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