tyson was a beast in the 80s - after spinks he was going downhill - slacking in training and ego and other personal troubles. there's not been any heavy since that has been as exciting when a young tyson burst on the scene. saying that i always thought a boxer that could move and keep a left jab in his face could defeat him as buster proved but you had to get past those first few rounds. i do think tyson had a mental flaw when he was put under a lot of pressure. fuk knows what he was doing trying to get his mouthpiece when he should of got straight back up when douglas knocked him down. there will always be that question mark against him.
you have to rate the champions who knock out their best availible rivals. when tyson came along he knocked them out. won his key fights by KO. Tyson did this, he did clean out the division, he must be a great fighter. What ever happened later he still paid his dues and deserves to be rated for what he did. Tysons resume is deeper than sonny listons record by a long chalk.
It's interesting (though not surprising) that you should chose to needlessly and drag Liston into this thread (again) when almost everything you say: "you have to rate the champions who knock out their best availible rivals. when tyson came along he knocked them out. won his key fights by KO. Tyson did this, he did clean out the division, he must be a great fighter. What ever happened later he still paid his dues and deserves to be rated for what he did." Also applies to Liston, who are you so consistantly critical of, the major difference being that he took out a fighter better than anyone Tyson ever beat in Patterson and that he was beaten by Muhammad Ali whereas Tyson was beaten by Buster Douglas
Tyson would have knocked Patterson out into next week. How would Liston do against DOuglas, Holyfield and Lewis?
True. "Would have" is never of much interest in these discussions. "Did" is the thing. Very, very, very difficult for him to do worse than Tyson. For the record I'd take him over all three. Post prime (as Mike was for Lennox) he would obviously lose.
Interesting to note that Tyson are Liston are the only 2 guys to have the won lineal title by Ko in the first round. As you stated earlier, would have and did are 2 totally different things
XPERT post MCgrain! Tyson KO1 Patterson, but Tyson did never beat any heavyweight as super great as Patterson! Floyd Patterson teh youngest CHAMP, not paper beltholder like Tyson! Liston was a monster beast in 1964 And would KTFO Tokyo Douglas in 2 Rounds!
when liston came along patterson and ingo were regarded the best heavyweights at that time with machen and foley closely behind. Liston only KO'D patterson and folley and both had been KO'd within the last 2 years by other fighters. machen lasted the distance even though he had been Kod by someone else within the last 2 years also. when tyson came along Holmes and spinks were regarded the best two heavyweights, Tyson KOd both. Neither had been KO'd before. Tyson also Kod pinklon thomas, tubbs, biggs and bruno. only bruno had been KOd before. I do accept that Tyson and liston had something in common, the versions of micheal spinks and floyd patterson that tyson and liston beat were both awful. Neither performed anywhere close to their potential or recent form against Tyson.
Liston's signature wins are better than Tyson's; Liston's losses, either at prime or after are far, far less embarrassing.
Biting of a guys ear? Quitting on his stool? Yeah, nothing embarrassing there Now, which of these is worse: LKO1, LRTD6 Muhammad Ali (One of the greatest fighters in history, probably the greatest HW) OR LKO10 James Douglas (Journeyman) LK11, DQ3 Evander Holfyield (Past prime ATG HW, never as good as Ali when primed) Hmmm?