Boxing Monthly SAVAGES Mike Tyson

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    ali was a great fighter but liston did not wait to find out, throwing himself down on the canvas in a total non effort.

    Tyson lost to good fighter the night he fought douglas. he went down trying, no shame in that. Douglas looked like a great fighter that night.

    obviosly there was shame in the DQ loss to holyfeild but it wasnt a non effort was it? throw yourself down on the floor or bite a mans ear off, its a toss up as to what is more embarrasing..
     
    choklab, Jul 10, 2011
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So Liston diving (if he dived) is a non-effort (if he had a choice) but Tyson seeking deliberate disqualification is "not a non-effort"? What is it about Liston that makes you so dishonest/blind?

    Anyway, i'm not asking you which is more embarrassing. I'm asking you which is the worse loss:

    LKO1 RD6 Greatest HW Of All Time


    OR


    LKO10 Journeyman

    LKO11, DQ3 Past Prime Natural Cruiserweight



    Can't wait to hear you answer.
     
    McGrain, Jul 10, 2011
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    when you word it like that losing (on paper) to the greatest fighter of all time in one round is the better loss. But you cant do any worse can you? I mean harpo marx, Mr bean and pee wee Herman would also get KO'd in one round.
    whatÂ’s worse getting KOd at the end of a thrilling fight against a guy with no real name (who actually looked good) or equalling the result pee wee Herman would record against the best fighter of all time?
    talking of past prime natural cruiserweights what on earth was Marty marshal? the same LH was twice KOd in one round by embrel Davidson before beating Liston!
     
    choklab, Jul 10, 2011
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, you can do much worse, like losing to a journeyman for example. Getting knocked out by the greatest fighter ever in your weight class in a round is less humiliating than getting knocked out by a guy who lost to Jesse Ferguson or Mike White :lol:

    It's the usual verbal contortions to avoid admitting that Liston is anything other than the under-achieving overblown bully without a decent win because Patterson looked so terrible to your expert eye in the few seconds he was even allowed into the fight.

    I mean what Liston has to do with this thread is beyond me, but it's you so you can't help it.

    Honestly, what are you talking about? Why do you keep talking about Pee Wee Herman?

    Yeah! A Liston that had had something like six pro fights! It's kinda like! When Tyson lost to Williams! And about as relevant! But Marty Marshall is someone! You love talking! about! Because he beat Liston!

    I'd bet every single past prime version of every HW in history would have repeated LL against a peaking Ali. Possibly Tyson is the only one who would have lost to Buster Douglas, and it's very likely that most of the rest of the top 10 would pick at least one from Holyfield. But you know that, you're just being you.
     
    McGrain, Jul 10, 2011
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  5. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    pee wee herman wouldn't have made it to 30 seconds.
     
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  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    From the responses here (with some notable exceptions), it seems a balanced view on Tyson has been formed here more or less. I suppose that's about time.
     
    Bokaj, Jul 10, 2011
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    good point. maybe I should hold back a little when it comes to liston, :lol: when you put it like that, I guess im always picking on sonny boy!

    mind who else would lose to marty marshall in his 10th fight, or what ever it was? I accept marty was a tough WW2 vet with a bum ear and as game as an angry jock..
     
    choklab, Jul 10, 2011
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  8. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Thank the hangover.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's a better question, green HW's I would expect to struggle with Marshall would include Dempsey, Louis and Johnson. I suspect all would be as likely to lose to Marshall as Liston was, which is to say not very.

    Liston had already beaten Summerlin, who was far, far superior to Marshall and has that appearance on film. On the other hand, Marshall's weird awkwardness might make him the tougher proposition for any young fighter.
     
    McGrain, Jul 10, 2011
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  10. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Louis KO'd a guy like Lee Ramage in what, his 12th fight? I don't think he'd really struggle with Marty Marshall at any point. Dempsey, Johnson, and Liston suffered from a lack of instruction and guidance at that point; Joe Louis did not.
     
    Swarmer, Jul 10, 2011
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  11. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    "Douglas was the most technical Heavyweight of the last 20 years."

    Which ESB Classic resident said this?
     
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  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    No they aren't.
     
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  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I love how these discussions go astray. How the f did Liston get mixed up in this all of a sudden?:lol:

    What's next? That Ali really lost to Jones, all 3 to Norton and more or less all 3 to Frazier as well? Or something about Lewis' chin, Foreman's and Dempsey's supposed invincibility and how Wlad only would be a second tier contender during the glorious 30's?:D You just have to love Classic at times.

    Foreman Hoook has already had that article framed, spotlighted and put on the ceiling above his bed. What more is there really to say about it?
     
    Bokaj, Jul 10, 2011
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  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Wlad couldn't carry Knute Hansen's jockstrap or Otto Von Porat's man satchel and both would have mashed him. I've never seen them fight of course but they were bound too, you know. :yep
     
    My dinner with Conteh, Jul 10, 2011
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  15. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don't agree with that, nice to see you having the greatest Mexican of the last decade in your avi though :D

    The British boxing press usually evaluate our countrymen's stature in perspective, even if the tabloids don't
     
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