Boxing needs new ped policy "now"

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  1. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know if you're bullshitting everyone with your long ass post or not and declare you don't know anything about any of the particulars concerning this situation.
     
  2. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    I appreciate the honesty my man.
     
  3. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cheers.

    So the various sanctioning bodies lend themselves to the rules of the hosting nation/state. That makes sense. Which is NSAC in this instance. Fair enough. They follow WADA (I knew who they were, just a making a point earlier). Fair enough.

    NFL and MLB are irrelevant. Fair enough.

    So, all in all, what we're saying here is that Floyd is asking for testing above and beyond what is ordinarily agreed? Okay, I knew that. Without going into the semantics of all the acronyms.

    But so what?

    Both boxers have fought at catchweights before. That's not exactly the usual way to go is it?

    Before we get any further into this by the way, I dont have an opinion on who is to blame. I just want the fight to happen. But I think too many people are too quick to jump on one fighter or the other when we dont have all the facts to hand. Because the mediation was confidential!
     
  4. keure

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    ask his wife how honest he is, reports out of the phillipines are that it is common knowledge that he cheats o her, why wouldnt he cheat on his sport , face it all things arent always what they appear to be stop being so naive, the guy is runing for poltics, of course he is putting off this cookie cutter image, but he is obviously slowly being exposed as a phony.
     
  5. FM219

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    What are you talking about?
    He agreed to 50-50 when he didn't have to and the glove and weight class is all what Pac wanted.
    The blood test is really the only demand he has had.

    Pac is scared or doping
    How can you guys seriously defend avoiding this fight over a stupid blood test? YOu cant be that ****ing blind

    He agreed to 50 50 because he should Mannys the P4P Champ not him. Pac would be fighting at 147 something more in Floyds favor, and the 8 oz gloves he fought ODH with them why not Manny? Then out of the clear blue his ******* cracked out father decides the guy must be doping to be that good because he fears for his son. Everybody runs with it and says its Pac who held up the fight! Fact remains if Mayweather never asked for an unprecedented Olympic style blood test we would be buying tickets right now wouldn't we. I think your eye site is going a little.
     
  6. dodong

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    How accurate is blood testing in detecting the presence of synthetic HGH?... and has any athlete been caught in this testing method?
     
  7. keure

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    having multiple affairs behind his wife's back does make him a bad person and a very selfish one at that, his extra marital affairs go against everything this so called righteous individual allegedly believs in, and in my oppinion and the oppinion of most other decent non bias fans completely discredits him as a person, and i believe he is capable of anything.
     
  8. thesmokingm

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    NFL and MLB matter because they don't help Mayweather's case. There is no precedence of any US professional leagues using any blood testing.

    This is why it is not only unusual but its quite arrogant that Mayweather deems so it must be so. It is not a request for the sport of Boxing or for that matter all US professional sports, it is for Mayweather.

    On the blood testing, the way Mayweather has presented USADA is that they can and will take blood whenever they want to leading upto the fight. There's so many problems if we look at this logically and honestly. However many people on the sides don't do that.

    USADA doesn't test to that degree. They do not repeatedly test athletes over and over again leading upto or during the Olympics. In fact data shows that they test an average of 1.25 times a year.

    -The only time they've test more than this is during a beta program called Blood Passport where they do longitudinal testing. Its just a fancy way of saying they will create a map of one's blood makeup to be used as a reference for future drug tests. In this method they can take blood multiple times a week. The program is optional and not mandated. However with all this, they cannot with certifiable fact declare if one is clean.

    Thus he wants to essentially force Manny into a testing process similar or not unlike longitudinal testing just because he feels like it. It's unrealistic. There are other debates about blood vs urine, or bias because GBP prepared USADA, and the whole coordinated slander of Manny by the whole Mayweather family.

    In my book, it's not so easy, and its not just about the blood.
     
  9. IPitydaFo0l

    IPitydaFo0l ATG in the making Full Member

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    You're going way too far with your assumptions here. As I stated earlier, it's wrong and I do not condone it but calling him an overall cheat and a bad person because he dipped into another woman a time or two is absolutely short sighted. No one is perfect, maybe you've been able to break this mold. Have you ever made any mistakes?
     
  10. BewareofDawg

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  11. thesmokingm

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    ^^ You forgot to mention that that blood test has failed to find anyone positive, EVER.
     
  12. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    I don't know too much about it, but it does detect it. I think the problem being is the duration of time it actually is detectable in your system which is why it is so hard to catch people.
     
  13. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Because HGH only stays in your system for such a short period of time. Why are you fighting this man. HGH is a huge problem and very common among combat sports, if you didn't know that then you do now. Any kind of testing for it is good testing. Trust me, alot of fighters are using it becsuse it is so hard to detect.
     
  14. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol 24 hours my ass. They've used the test for almost a decade and have zero results to show for it.

    The beta urine test however shows much greater reliability. But yall don't care about that cuz it punches holes through your blood pact.
     
  15. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Well I'm not the one with the lawsuit against me so I'm not that hard on my position. I'm going with what I know and have read on the internet about these tests and stuff. Also what I know from my experience fighting and training with mma fighters, knowing they all do HGH.

    If you can add to what I know, please do.