Boxing News taking a big stance

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jul 6, 2021.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, for the sixteenth time: we rate the ten best active fighters in the division. We make a judgement about when a fighter becomes active. We contend that an inactive figher is not among the ten or eleven best in the division.

    This is the same as every rankings organisation, ever :lol:

    You've SAID this NINE TIMES and changing WHICH words are CAPITALIZED does not change its MEANING.

    Then you think every rankings organisation to ever have existed stupid. That's fine. You don't get it. I understand. Agree to disagree :lol:

    NOBODY else is "sick of" fighters being removed for inactivity.

    It's just you.

    You total fruitcake.

    You make the same complaints for thirteen pages - exactly the same complaints - then whine about getting the same responses for the same amount of time:lol: All while making essentially non-responsive posts.

    WE DO LOTS OF THINGS DIFFERENT

    JUST NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS WEIRD OBSESSION WITH YOURS THAT NOBODY ELSE BELIEVES IN
     
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  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Better is to start ranking from top 100, then easier is to get top 25 and after this top 10 ?

    Yeah, rankings in sport, also in non combat sport usually requires some activity.
    Like no one long years inactive still is ranked highly in moto sport, tennis etc.
    Some orgs conserve achieved ranking points if athlete will come out of retirement, previous achievements will be taken in account for new ranking if athlete will be active again.
    Some just keep exisiting rankings points when you are inactive, others compete during your inactivity timeframe and gets new points to add to their exisiting points. With such order athlete just drops in place in ranking cos others are active.

    Ranking does have also a lot of non combat sports.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    That's definitely true.

    Of course. The problem is that you are identifying people who are desrving of the right to fight for the title.

    The idea is that nobody who doesn't fight for 25 months deserves that; that there are people who are doing boxing who deserve it more.

    So it's especially prevalent in one-on-one competition.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    To be in a division, surely you have to be active in the division?

    Like Duran was never the best LWW in the world, even though we all know he definitely was the best LWW in the world.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

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    "Organizations do not rank belt holders in other organizations"

    This is BY FAR the worst thing about the current ranking system. By ignoring the champions in the other sanctioning bodies you are basically giving them get out of jail free cards to continue cherry picking low hanging fruit in that organization and then claim you are legitimately defending against the best in the world. It's arguably one of the greatest scams in the history of sports.

    The current system honestly wouldn't be that bad if it was something like:

    -Super champion
    -WBC champ #1
    -WBA champ #2
    -WBO champ #3
    -IBF #4
    -everyone else ranked from 5-10.

    That way the sanctioning bodies can still make their money and promote the fighters they like, but they have to admit to the casual observer that their belt holder is still only the #1, #2, etc guy in the world and there's far less confusion. The belt holders would then feel more pressure to actually unify or take on the super champ--which would be a guy who presumably held all 4 belts and then gave them up when he was elevated to super status. There are so many ways they can go about this.

    Or just bring back the old school lineal belt as the sole belt, but we all know that won't happen. But this is a temporary solution that would get more of the top boxers to actually fight. No more "interim" or "regular" nonsense. And no more having a guy ranked #6 fight a guy ranked #11 and the winner is somehow the #1 mandatory challenger after ignoring the 5 guys in front of them.
     
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  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This also does work in am ranks.
    I did not had saw am boxer or judoka inactive 25 months fighting for national am title, not alone at continental level championships because they need to be active and to get in high level tournaments guys should prove their recent credentials, be these lower ranked tournaments and like this.
    No one inactive during 2 years KBer, boxer or wrestler I had ever saw at World Championship for example.
     
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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So, when Wilder-Fury gets postponed until October because Fury's team got Covid, and they are out 20 months, do you just strip Wilder of his #2 rating and remove him from the top 10 heavyweight ratings altogether, or do you remove Fury, who has been inactive just as long, too?

    Or does Fury get a pass as champ, even though he is responsible for them having to go to an arbitrator and for the Covid delay?

    LOL.

    Great policy. Not dumb at all.

    You guys AND Boxing News are going to have a lot of explaining to do in the coming months.

    Glad you saved us from all the other ratings bodies.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    For the last time: Fury is champion and cannot be stripped.

    I don't know if you're just unable to take in new information, or if you're trolling, but either way, i wont' be answering any more questions about champions in this thread. Try just to remember that champions are different, you don't have to remember the details. Champions: different.

    Wilder won't be stripped for as long as he has a fight scheduled.

    Which policy is dumb? The one that says Fury can't be stripped as champ, or the one that says Wilder can't be stripped as a fighter with a fight planned?

    The above, of course, being the latest in a long line of questions that this guy won't answer.

    To who? About what?

    :lol: honestly it's like being haunted by the ghost of internet Troll's Christmas past or something.
     
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  9. Surrix

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    They can't.
    Athlete should ask to be ranked by pro boxing org and pay fees if boxing org belt in on the line in boxer's fight.
    I do know enough boxers who had been ranked only by org A or org B or A and B, still not all of these : A,B,C,D etc.

    Most sound example might be Vitaly and Wlad.

    For example one gym I had used: no one from pro boxers had been ranked by WBA.
    If they does not need, they does not ask to be ranked by org A or B or C.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Didn't Boxing News say one of the reasons they picked you guys was you included Fury, Joshua and Wilder in your ratings, but the sanctioning bodies didn't?

    Oops.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Yeah, if your goal is to control the "deserving" of challengers it's obvious enough that someone who hasn't fought for 25 months shouldn't, ideally, be allowed to fight for the big gold.

    Not that, in this example, that even holds because Manny was number three when removed :lol:
     
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  12. McGrain

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    :lol: literally two posts behind yourself.

    Oops.
     
  13. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Got it. So if the third fight gets postponed because of Team Fury's Covid and a new date or a new opponent isn't announced by October, that is when Wilder vanishes from the ratings.

    Makes total sense. LOL
     
  14. McGrain

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    Yeah, unfortunately, it does for most people.

    Everyone else understands that to be ranked a fighter must fight.

    You're unique in your position, and it doesn't matter how man LOLs or "makes total sense" or "got it" you throw out there, you will be in a tiny minority no matter what.

    You're wrong.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    I don't think I've ever seen anyone campaign so hard for a fighter to remain in the rankings after 2 years inactivity. I don't think I've ever seen anyone campaign it full stop tbh.

    Even more bizarre is that if Pacquiao was active, he'd still have been ranked 3rd and this still wouldn't have been a 1v2 match up.