Boxing News taking a big stance

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Jul 6, 2021.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Oh, I see, you're saying that he should be champion IF he beats Thurman, and then Spence?

    Right.

    Yeah, no, Pacquiao was stripped for inactivity. I covered that in the last post.
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    I haven't done anything, so that is a moot point.

    I asked how long you'd allow.
     
  3. McGrain

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    I think it's fair to say he should be stripped as champion now, that's a valid opinion I think.

    But champions and contenders are treated with entirely different rules. If you're the champ, you're the champ, the idea is that champions should not be stripped in an office but only in the ring. Fortunately, so far, it hasn't prevent the crowning of a new champion (based on 1 and 2) I don't think.

    So it hasn't done any harm.

    But yeah, you're comparing apples with oranges really. TBR obviously can't extend the same courtesy to the champs to every contender.

    Is that how you see it? All fighters to stay ranked where they are whether they fight or not?
     
  4. Dubblechin

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    I can't believe you wrote this, but thank you.

    It does do harm if you remove #1 or #2 for inactivity, and then the #1 and #2 you had rated at the top are still rated by others and, low and behold, they decide to fight for a shitload of belts and the Ring World Title.

    And you don't recognize the winner as champ. Because you removed them from your ratings based on your "policy."

    WHICH IS EXACTLY what will happen next month when Spence fights Pac.

    Hilarious.

    This is why these "independents" are doomed to fail like the ratings bodies IF they adhere to some arbitrary policy when common sense dictates otherwise. Then they have to "defend" their policy when everyone knows it makes no sense in a particular situation.

    Spence-Pac is a World Welterweight Title fight. And it's an historic event.

    It would be for the World Title by the Transnational folks, too, like seven months back. They were rated #1 and #2 then. But Pac was dropped from the ratings entirely because he didn't fight fast enough.

    It doesn't cease to be because the Transnational welterweight ratings are screwed up because of a flawed policy ...

    People know when a fight is for the REAL title and when it isn't ... until they start working for a Ratings body, apparently. Then it's POLICY over common sense.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Why?

    No, I think you're confusing yourself by conflating the divisions.

    It would matter to me if TBR had a champion in place who was inactive and the number 1 and number 2 contenders fought but couldn't become champion because an inactive champion was hoggint the throne. That would be uncomfortable.

    You don't have to put "policy" in inverted commas every time you write it, just write policy. An organisation that gathers to determine policy which then becomes policy is just policy, even if you don't like the policy.

    It's a real shame that that fight could never crown a champion at the weight.

    But, you see, Manny Pacquiao has been stripped of his ranking for inactivity. That is all we disagree about. That is it. The sum total.

    You don't think fighters should be stripped for inactivity after x years. I do. The End.
     
  6. McGrain

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    My preference is for an active qualified list of top contenders who could legitimately start a new lineage.

    But in fairness, it come switch its difficulties and 1 v 2 is the clearest way to run the thing. How come you're not watching the game?
     
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    No fighter should be dinged for inactivity over the past 18 months given the pandemic.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    Well, he may have been stripped of his ranking by the Transnational board, but his ranking remains with the RING, the WBC, and the IBF.

    And when your policy leads to worse decisions than those made by the WBC and IBF, I don't think it's a good policy.

    When it comes to the World Welterweight Title fight next month, the Transnational Board is about on point as the WBA is.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Exactly.
     
  10. McGrain

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    In fact, I just noticed, you're wrong about all this anyway.

    Pacquiao was leap-frogged in December anyway.

    1. Errol Spence Jr.
    2. Terence Crawford
    3. Manny Pacquiao

    SO even if he wasn't stripped for inactivity, he'd be in a 1v3. The fight could never crown a new lineal 1v2 champion anyway.

    The WBC and IBF aren't even about the same business. They have no interest in marshalling rankings to crown a lineal champion based on the best in the division meeting to decide who is the best in the world. They'd match you with their granny if it would draw.

    Your preference for the WBA is noted, meaningless, and i'm sure in your fevered brain, makes total sense.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

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    I'm not wrong. Spence and Pac were #1 and #2 until December. Then Crawford got bumped up one spot? Why? He didn't beat anyone in the top 10. Like I said, if Pac had fought Rod Salka for 30 seconds last year, would the upcoming Spence-Pac be a World title fight then?

    It's laughable.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    I have zero preference for the WBA. Have no idea where you picked that up at.

    And I have zero preference for the Transnational ratings ... any time someone brings them up they are doing something just as dumb as the other ratings orgs are accused of doing.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Well he was ranked number 3 by TBR and he IS ranked number 3 by RING. Never mind :lol:

    Here's the WBA top ten contenders:

    1EIMANTAS STANIONIS
    2ABEL RAMOS
    3RADZHAB BUTAEV
    4GABRIEL MAESTRE
    5ALBERTO PALMETTA
    6MARIO BARRIOS
    7DAVID AVANESYAN
    8JESUS ALEJANDRO RAMOS
    9CONOR BENN
    10ANDRE BERTO

    :lol: Berto too.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    I am, I just type really quick when the ball goes out of play lol
     
  15. McGrain

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    You just seem to be comparing them positively with the TBR, i thought it would be fun to post one of their rankings to show how laughably pathetic that opinion is.

    But ok, your preference is for what's in your own head, at all times. You should start your own rankings organisation.