Boxing Power and MMA Power are not the same

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  1. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ya I get that just saying if Jones doesn't take it seriously he might be caught with 1
     
  2. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chin resistance is genetic and some of it is improved in sparring, you're going to get hit hard in either sport, getting kneed and kicked has more power than a punch. Ngannou is 37 , every chin hits expiration, you don't know if Ngannou got dropped in his training camp, it's also the punch you don't see that kos you because you don't brace for impact.

    I also showed you a video of Vitali being starched unconscious by a kick. And ray mercer getting dropped. You think if a boxer eats a head kick they wont fall? Conor would have kicked Floyds' head clean off. How do you figure a sport where you can kick, knee, elbow, you won't have a or need a sturdy chin?

    Half the sport has ex boxers kickboxers, karate guys, they all get starched.
     
  3. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Weak chins will get found out in the ufc. 2024 mma is filled with ex kickboxers, muay thai and high level strikers.

    Having heavy hands is not just a boxing thing. Power is not why a boxer is good at punching, a street fighter can have as much power as a boxer, it's the precision, timing, technique , speed, that is what separates the greats, and their ability to set it up.
     
  4. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I'm your huckleberry, that's just mah game Full Member

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    Are you including kickboxers with the MMA crowd? If so then "MMA" guys can certainly punch as hard or harder than boxers. Boxing isn't a sport of who can punch the hardest but who can box the most effectively, and the type of PEDed up physique that can generate truly freakish explosive power isn't necessarily the best build for a ten or twelve round boxing match, but does become viable for a three or five round fight or a three fight competition format where you're trying to end each opponent as quickly as possible to conserve energy and reduce cumulative damage.
     
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  5. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's all possible but what does that have to do with punching power
     
  6. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you never made that distinction.

    i’m also making the case that there is far worst things you can be hit with than a punch.

    earlier comment too you said floyd koed Conor which wasn’t true, it was a standing tko ref stoppage caused by exhaustion more so than floyd having ko skills over mma

    Aj is an exception like wilder, you act like all boxers hit that hard , they don’t.
     
  7. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Wilder needs to retire Full Member

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    1. Mike Tyson, no MMA fighter has ever been as good as finishing a fighter the way Tyson did despite Francis having more one punch power, only Derek Lewis comes close to Tyson`s power out of every MMA fighter.
    2. Michael Spinks, very few MMA fighters weighing 202lbs could have knocked Jerry Cooney or gone toe to toe with him in the ring.
    3. Evander Holyfield was a greater counter puncher than any MMA fighter certainly the same weight as himself.
    4. Julio Cesar Chavez Wasn`t a devastating puncher but was a far more consistent accurate puncher than 90% MMA fighters or more, he threw more lead rights than any MMA fighter.
    5. Thomas Hearns Knocked out a light heavy in 1987, no MMA fighter starting his career at 147 could ever hope to have the power to knock out a 175lbs boxer.
    6. Mike McCallum`s KO over Don Curry in 1987 matches any KO in UFC history, it looked beautiful and was part of a two-punch combo.
    7. Azumah Nelson hit harder than any MMA fighter his size.
    8. Jung Koo Chang Isn`t a fighter I know much about.
    9. Miguel Lora Isn`t a fighter I know much about.
    10. Jeff Fenech Didn`t have as much power as certain big punchers in the UFC, just took this P4P list from 1987 as a etc. kind of thing.
     
  8. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    This comment (and its a common one) always instantly exposes the people who dont have a ****ing clue about any type of combat other than boxing on a techical level.
     
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  9. TMLT87

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    Having said that, yes of course boxers punch harder and have better chins ON AVERAGE because its a pure striking sport. But that doesnt mean that MMA doesnt have guys who can crack and/or have a good chin.
     
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    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    And yet a lot of those "incredibly bad" MMA strikers would beat a boxer in a pure stand up situation.

    Boxing is a refinement on one very specific aspect of striking. MMA striking, Muay Thai and kickboxing are actual striking in an all encompassing sense.
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, I was a wrestler who had hundreds of matches, but whatever.
     
  12. TMLT87

    TMLT87 Active Member Full Member

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    So you were an experienced wrestler but somehow cant recognise that MMA is choc full of high level wrestlers including literal olympic medallists?
     
  13. cuchulain

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    No.

    The crossover will always favour the guy who is competing in his home sport.
    If an MMA fighter strays into a boxing ring and fights under boxing rules, he will be at a great disadvantage.

    And vice versa.

    If a boxer ventures into the octogon and fights under MMA rules, he will be at a great disadvantage.
     
  14. TMLT87

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    I do think boxers have more of a chance in MMA than vice versa. You could put a boxer with zero MMA training in the UFC even at championship level and they will have a punchers chance to varying degrees depending on the stylistic match up. Put Opetaia against Poatan or Tank against O'Malley in MMA for example and they are serious live dogs in those fights in a way that wouldnt be applicable the other way round.

    I also think plenty of boxers could find success in MMA if they made the switch and properly dedicated themselves to working on their takedown defence etc. We've already seen it with kickboxers. At the end of the day being able to punch someone really ****ing hard in the face quickly and accurately is an effective skill in MMA too.

    Not a slight on MMA either, its just the nature of the sport that people can transition into it.
     
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  15. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    there never be a boxing equivalent to conor floyd or Fury Ngannou. While boxers will win most of the time under boxing rules, the mma guy can still make it entertaining and people will watch it and get over 20 mins of action . in mma the boxer gets taken out in under 2 mins, it would not be remotely entertaining.