Hey, IB - Don't you know boxing fans are all cab drivers & construction workers? We don't use big words like "sagacious" around here! - And we don't eat quiche. Heck we should even know how to SPELL quiche.
If the ref calls a knockdown, and you as the judge do not believe it was a knockdown, do you have to score the knockdown anyway?
Most pro judges score the knockdown anyway. I have seen cards reflect no knockdown though so I believe as a judge, it is at your discretion.
Does anyone know why or if there was an explanation given for why one judge scored round nine of the first Ward/Gatti fight 10-7 to Ward? Was it just an error or is there some logic to it?
It's conceivable for it to have been a conscious decision reached through logical means and not a mistake. In this case, the judge (I think it was Weisfeld) would have needed to see the 9th as being so one-sided as to already warrant the rare non-KD 10-8 scoring...with a knockdown on top of that making it 10-7.
That is the only logical explanation for it but you would think there would be more examples of it happening surely a round like Vasquez/Marquez RD12 from the third fight would warrant a 10-7 round.
Absolutely could've been, yes. It's in the individual judge's discretion. I think sometimes judges when they were already leaning toward a KD-free 10-8 (which is pretty rare to begin with) might feel a bit self-conscious dropping a three-point swing if a knockdown happens and might just roll it all together as 10-8 even knowing they would've scored it the same w/o a KD. So I think we don't see it often because not many judges have Weisfeld's cojones of being willing to stick their necks out and march to a unique drum beat.
:think I can't recall a time offhand, but I wouldn't refrain from doing so if it seemed appropriate. :good (that is, if my decision had already been made to score it 10-8 due to sheer domination and then in the waning seconds a KD was scored I wouldn't hesitate to expand it with the extra point)
Is this wrong: when scoring fights I score on a rounds basis then deduct points from my final tally. For example say I have it 7-5 to A. B scores a kd and A has 2 points deducted for fouls I'd score 115-113 -> 114-113 -> 112-113 thus fighter B wins. I never score even rounds either btw, I always make a judgement but allow leeway for close fights.
That method is totally fine for casually scoring from your couch. If you are trying to get a job as an official judge, you need to score each round and you need to start scoring even rounds even and not just picking a winner.
I do notice that despite the misconception, judges do often score rounds even. I'm fairly happy acknowledging a close round and that then allows a degree of subjectivity were I can say "yeah I see how it can be scored for him". I enjoy the debate that close fights bring, I just wanted to know if my method can give legitimate cards.