Boxing snobs, do they exist? Im not a fan of Froch per say, infact I dont like his style at all, but I appreciate his overall effectiveness, now just because I dont like his style, I would never assert that he's not a very good 168 pounder, he is, and his wins dictate that he is imo, not great, but good, lets keep it in perspective. My point is, there are some folk that wont even draw the conclusion I just did, which I think, is a logical point of view given his credentials thus far, and this is what im getting at, some folk think Judah is comparable to Hatton in terms of resume, and to me, it doesn't seem to be based entirely on resume, it seems to come as they begrudgingly want to give Hatton credit because of the way! he fought, where as Judah's style seems more aesthetically pleasing to some, so they can/will overrate him, underrate someone like Hatton, now I think Froch might be falling victim to this type of snobbery. Anyone else see this kind of thing?
Yes, happends all the time.. If pacquiao or Froch was African American fighters they would be the greatest thing since the invention of fake boobs thats just how it are
I totally agree with danish pride and gooners, it happens especially with european fighters they fail to get full credit for their acomplishments.
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of fighters who get overrated because they're percieved to be slick and many who are underrated because they're are aggressive. The consensus on ESB is that anyone who moves, is automatically a good boxer. You see it all the time, even with greatly flawed movers like Martinez. I like him a lot, but I don't think he's that skilled at all, whereas someone who moves forward a lot, say Margarito, gets torn apart because they aren't technically skilled, apparently. I'm not saying Margarito is better than Martinez, but there is definitely a lot of fans who will always overrate certain styles, whilst not giving due respect to others. You mentioned Hatton and Judah and because Judah is a fairly slick, sharp punching, counter puncher, he gets rated highly as a boxer. Hatton is pretty much face first, worked great on the inside and was a terrific body puncher, yet many think he was hit and hold throughout his career. I think Hatton was a much better fighter than Judah, prime for prime though. I think it's more ignorance than snobbery though. They can't see what makes aggressive fighters effective, and think being slick is the be all and end all. It's clearly not. I know that sounds elitist in itself, but I think it's true. There's a lot of elitism on the classic forum though. That and the countless younger posters who troll every thread, have really turned me away from the forum recently.
Good post, especially the part about Martinez, I dont see him as a particularly excellent Boxer to be honest.
That is an issue, particularly with some! of my fellow Brits, although I think we can draw the line under an opinion that is rational. I mean someone called Froch a D class fighter.
Yeah, I don't. People keep on saying he's slick, because he's defensive, yet he gets hit around 30% of the time usually and that's including against 'decent' punchers like Pavlik and Williams. In fact, Pavlik landed a massive 45% of power punches and he only has one power punch in his arsenal, the big right hand. That's not defensively impressive. Against Margarito, Williams threw over 300 more punches than he did against Martinez, yet he landed only 12 more shots, so, against the same fighter, the stats actually say that Margarito is harder to hit than Martinez, yet who is the one who is lauded as slick and who is supposed to be easy to hit? Initial appearances don't always tell the whole story.
I echo your sentiments Robney. Agree, he's about as slick as Malignaggi imo, being a decent to good counter puncher does not equal slick imo.
Happens all the time.. Brazilians in Soccer Black in Basket, Football, White in Hockey Rich ppl in Tennis etc. etc.